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Re: What can we learn from the Houthis' successful ASBM attack?
Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2023 8:33 pm
by blu3s
Re: What can we learn from the Houthis' successful ASBM attack?
Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2023 9:47 pm
by thewood1
It took all of two-minutes to find the debunking of the Houthi display of some of the missiles shown earlier in the thread.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/pol ... se-options
Re: What can we learn from the Houthis' successful ASBM attack?
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:15 am
by Sanyr1310
Again, US Central Command again reported an anti-ship ballistic missile attack by the Houthis. This time, however, the USS Laboon successfully intercepted all three ASBMs
In theory, such an ASBM possessed by the Houthis should not have the ability to maneuver more aggressively, and the terminal speed (according to some sources) may only be Mach 2-3, which should not be a difficult target for Aegis ships with basic bmd capability.
Re: What can we learn from the Houthis' successful ASBM attack?
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:33 am
by thewood1
Again, a little skepticism considering the defined land attack missiles being fired. Either someone is misclassifying them or the Houthis don't have enough BMs to engage successfully.
Here's an example of the reporting...
https://www.foxnews.com/world/navy-uses ... is-red-sea
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Re: What can we learn from the Houthis' successful ASBM attack?
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:40 am
by Blast33
Yes (at least) one missile was fake. But one was not.
In the attached article it is stated that they do indeed have ASBM.
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Re: What can we learn from the Houthis' successful ASBM attack?
Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:36 pm
by Blast33
USS GRAVELY shoots down two anti-ship ballistic missiles while responding to Houthi attack on merchant vessel.
Today at approximately 8:30 p.m. (Sanaa time), the container ship MAERSK HANGZHOU reported that they were struck by a missile while transiting the Southern Red Sea. The Singapore-flagged, Denmark-owned/operated container ship requested assistance, and the USS GRAVELY (DDG 107) and USS LABOON (DDG 58) have responded to the ship. The vessel is reportedly seaworthy and there are no reported injuries.
While responding, the USS GRAVELY shot down two anti-ship ballistic missiles fired from Houthi-controlled areas in Yemen toward the ships.
This is the 23rd illegal attack by the Houthis on international shipping since Nov. 19.
That makes it three separate DDG-51 class ships #AEGIS with ASBM kills.
https://twitter.com/CENTCOM/status/1741259817602429357
Re: What can we learn from the Houthis' successful ASBM attack?
Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2024 9:52 am
by Sanyr1310
Blast33 wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:36 pm
USS GRAVELY shoots down two anti-ship ballistic missiles while responding to Houthi attack on merchant vessel.
Today at approximately 8:30 p.m. (Sanaa time), the container ship MAERSK HANGZHOU reported that they were struck by a missile while transiting the Southern Red Sea. The Singapore-flagged, Denmark-owned/operated container ship requested assistance, and the USS GRAVELY (DDG 107) and USS LABOON (DDG 58) have responded to the ship. The vessel is reportedly seaworthy and there are no reported injuries.
While responding, the USS GRAVELY shot down two anti-ship ballistic missiles fired from Houthi-controlled areas in Yemen toward the ships.
This is the 23rd illegal attack by the Houthis on international shipping since Nov. 19.
That makes it three separate DDG-51 class ships #AEGIS with ASBM kills.
https://twitter.com/CENTCOM/status/1741259817602429357
I'm thinking that maybe the CMO should at least redefine the type and speed of the Fateh-110 series. I suspect that maybe they are closer to a large rocket that follows a trajectory (like PCH-191, PrSM, KN-09).
Do not have/have weak terminal maneuvers and much lower speeds than reentry warheads (as I mentioned in my previous reply), making these missiles easier to intercept by Aegis. And, as we have seen with each intercept, the Houthis' ASBM projectile volume is too small to allow us to observe the maximum limits of the Aegis system.
Re: What can we learn from the Houthis' successful ASBM attack?
Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2024 11:03 am
by Dimitris
Re: What can we learn from the Houthis' successful ASBM attack?
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 3:38 pm
by Tcao
Re: What can we learn from the Houthis' successful ASBM attack?
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 3:48 pm
by thewood1
I've see those reports. The flight profile I saw barely makes it ballistic. Kind of a hybrid cruise missile and BM.
Re: What can we learn from the Houthis' successful ASBM attack?
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:11 am
by SeaQueen
Blast33 wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:40 am
Yes (at least) one missile was fake. But one was not.
In the attached article it is stated that they do indeed have ASBM.
The observation of fakes does not preclude the existence of real weapons. It does suggest there exist decoys, however.
Re: What can we learn from the Houthis' successful ASBM attack?
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:13 am
by thewood1
But it does follow a Iranian pattern of attempting to obfuscate whats real and what isn't. Not a bad strategy if not so obvious.
Re: What can we learn from the Houthis' successful ASBM attack?
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:15 am
by Sanyr1310
Update:
After several successful interceptions, the U.S. Navy's air defense network appears to have once again been breached by the Houthi ASBMs. Because this time, USCENTCOM did not directly say that the targets were successfully intercepted.
Re: What can we learn from the Houthis' successful ASBM attack?
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:17 pm
by Tcao
So?
an interception didn't happen might be caused by
1)Air Defense system failure
2)Impact Zone is far away from the air defense system, outside its DLZ
3)impact zone seems to be somewhere harmless, so the Air defense system decide to do not engage this target.
Re: What can we learn from the Houthis' successful ASBM attack?
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:33 am
by Sanyr1310
Tcao wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:17 pm
So?
an interception didn't happen might be caused by
1)Air Defense system failure
2)Impact Zone is far away from the air defense system, outside its DLZ
3)impact zone seems to be somewhere harmless, so the Air defense system decide to do not engage this target.
Just update the news and state the facts.
Re: What can we learn from the Houthis' successful ASBM attack?
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:48 am
by thewood1
You are definitely posting news. Not so sure on facts...more opinions.
Re: What can we learn from the Houthis' successful ASBM attack?
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:52 am
by Sanyr1310
thewood1 wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:48 am
You are definitely posting news. Not so sure on facts...more opinions.
The fact is: This time, US Navy didn't intercept the ASBMs.
Re: What can we learn from the Houthis' successful ASBM attack?
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 8:15 am
by Blast33
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Re: What can we learn from the Houthis' successful ASBM attack?
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:59 am
by thewood1
Sanyr1310 wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:52 am
thewood1 wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:48 am
You are definitely posting news. Not so sure on facts...more opinions.
The fact is: This time, US Navy didn't intercept the ASBMs.
That might be true. But using the term breach is an opinion based on "known" facts. Using terms like that is called pushing a narrative. Its not neutral. Its the difference between saying "didn't intercept" vs "failed to intercept". As stated, they might have chosen to not intercept due a non-threatening or poor geometry trajectory. Thats a judicious decision based on economics and risk. Just like in CMO, geometry is everything in ABM engagements.
Re: What can we learn from the Houthis' successful ASBM attack?
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 3:41 pm
by Nikel
