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May/Jun '41
End of Turn

Use Oil:

USSR:
All units, except 1 CA and one SUB, are reorganized for 2 oil (2.45).

CW:
All units are reorganized for 6 oil (6.2).

Free France:
All units are reorganized for 1 CW oil (1.35).

USA:
All units are reorganized for 1 oil (6.2).

China:
All units are reorganized for 0 oil (0.0).

Breakdown:
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Prod plan Final:
x

Scrap:
USSR: 3 GARR
CW: CV

Production:

China (5):
INF
FTR2

CW (24):
INF
GARR
HQI
FTR2
NAV3
CVP1
2 Pilot
CA (2nd)
CV (2nd)
CP

Free France (0):
-

USA (27):
CV fd (2)
TRS fu(4)
2xINF (6)
FTR2 (2)
LND3 (3)
2xCVP (2)
3xPIL (6)
SUB fu (1)
Repair CW CA (1)

USSR (25):
2 GARR
1 INF
9 MIL

Conquest:
Lithuabua, and Latvia, by germany
Italian Somaliland by CW

Jul/Aug '41
Start of turn
Allies

Reinforcements:

CW:
FTR2 -> Southampton
CVP1 -> CVL, Liverpool
CVP1 -> Liverpool
BB + CA -> Liverpool

France:

USA:
Boston
INF+PAR+TRS
San Diego
GAR+ BB
CPV F4F-4 to CV Lexington

China (Nat):
-

China (Com):
INF Sian
CAV DIV Yennan

USSR:
9 MIL
5-4 INF + 5-3 INF -> Gomel
6-3 INF -> Stalino
3-2 A-A -> D-town
7-4 MOT -> Kharkov
8-5 MECH -> Rostov

Voluntary Resource Lending:
CW -> China - 1 resource (1 oil)
CW -> USSR - 1 resource (0 oil) + 1 BP
USA -> CW - 5 resources (5 oil) + 2 BP

Allies go first, if we win the initiative. Will re-roll in order to do so.

Axis wins the first roll with 7 vs 4 (rolled 7-2). Re-roll demanded.

Jul/Aug '41
New Turn

Allies wins the initiative, and goes first. (Reroll: Axis 3, Allies 4+1)

Jul/Aug '41
Impulse #1 (Allies)

The new weather.

ssiviour wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 6:26 am
I still beleive GER should have 13 saved oil as per the EOT M/A 41 with net 0 used during EOT M/J 41

Germany had 13 oil.
Saved 5 during production.
Germany used 5 of those for reorganization.
Italy used another 2 for reorganization.
13+5-5-2=11 oil

Yet I only see 10 oil on the map for Germany.

To many oil saved in Berlin seems to have been an issue but should not have affected this since I changed oil save points.

So am I wrong, or is MWIF wrong?

Orm wrote: Sun Sep 03, 2023 11:00 am

ssiviour wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 6:26 am
I still beleive GER should have 13 saved oil as per the EOT M/A 41 with net 0 used during EOT M/J 41

Germany had 13 oil.
Saved 5 during production.
Germany used 5 of those for reorganization.
Italy used another 2 for reorganization.
13+5-5-2=11 oil

Yet I only see 10 oil on the map for Germany.

To many oil saved in Berlin seems to have been an issue but should not have affected this since I changed oil save points.

So am I wrong, or is MWIF wrong?

11 on Map saved Oil should be the end Net result

Saving to Berlin should not be the issue as it is not actually being over stacked

It was an issue during the preliminary step, so in that step two previously saved oil were removed to make room for the new oil being saved there. That the new oil didn't arrive because it was used for oil reorganization did not seem to help. Although I have not tested this fully.

However, I am open to suggestions on how to solve the missing German oil.

I haven't checked the other nations. Are their oil count correct?

Japan is correct

34 oil at start of MJ 41 used 8 in reorg and production controlled/received 6 = 32 Oil remaining

Which is what is showing in the file

Orm wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:30 pm It was an issue during the preliminary step, so in that step two previously saved oil were removed to make room for the new oil being saved there. That the new oil didn't arrive because it was used for oil reorganization did not seem to help. Although I have not tested this fully.

However, I am open to suggestions on how to solve the missing German oil.

I haven't checked the other nations. Are their oil count correct?

Have not encountered this issue during Netplay, that I have noticed. This is the second time in this game I beleive it has come up.

I vaguely remember Oil overstacking being resolved post production, possibly around either BP saving or factory destruction, but I'm not sure.

I don't think this will become a crucial issue in this game so we can just cop it and move on.

Jul/Aug '41
Impulse #1 (Allies)

US declares war on Germany, and Italy. (1 rolled, 6 or less needed)

Jul/Aug '41
Impulse #1 (Allies)

Land: USSR, China
Combined: USA, CW
Naval: France

No port strikes. No naval air.

Naval Movement:
USA:
TRS New York load AT+ART->Bob 0 Box.
CA Norfolk->Bob 1 Box.
BB + CA Norfolk->Bob 0 Box.
France:

CW:
BB + TRS + MIL (Gibraltar) -> BoB 0-box
CP (Gibraltar) -> East Med 0-box

No strategic bombing. No Ground Strikes.

Rail Movement:
USSR
D-town factory -> Omsk
4-3 MIL Sverdlovsk ->Pskov

Land Movement:

China:
CH COM
INF 4-3 ->E
INF DIV 1-4-> NE,E,SE
CAV DIV 1-5->NW,NW,NE,E
CH NAT
3-2 INF SW Chikiang ->W

CW:
MOT (Gazala, Libya) -> 83,46 via 82,49 capturing the Italian supply depot
MECH (55,24) -> St-Nazaire via several ports in Brittany

USSR:
3-3 INF 51, 157 -> 52, 159
1-5 CAV Div Blago -> 55, 156
3-5 CAV 51, 144 -> 54, 148

2-4 CAV Novgorod -> 43, 53
2-3 INF Div Pskov -> 43, 52
7-2 MIL Vitebsk -> 43, 52
7-4 INF 44, 53 -> 43, 52
3-4 CAV 46, 54 -> 44, 53
5-4 INF Gomel -> 46, 54
4-3 INF + 3-2 A-A 48, 53 -> 47, 53
1-3 ENG 44, 56 -> 47, 54
Zhukov 44, 57 -> Gomel
3-3 MIL Bryansk 47, 56

5-3 INF Gomel -> 50 ,57
1-4 INF Div 49, 56 -> 51, 56
7-6 MECH + 6-6 ARM 54, 58 -> 51, 56
6-2 Kharkov -> 54, 60
7-4 MOT Kharkov -> 54, 59
6-3 INF Stalino -> 54, 59
4-3 INF D-town -> 58, 59
3-5 CAV Sevastopol ->58, 59
3-2 MIL D-town -> 57, 59
3-3 MIL Stalino -> 55, 60
6-4 MOT 57, 58 -> D-town
5-4 INF 53, 58 D-town
Yeremenko 56, 59 -> 56, 60
7-5 MECH 55, 58 -> 57, 58
8-5 MECH Rostov -> 56, 59
4-2 MIL Rostov -> Stalino
3-2 ART 55, 58 -> 56, 59
3-2 A-A D-town -> 54, 59
5-5 MOT 55, 58 -> 57, 59

5-3 MIL Stalingrad -> 54, 67
2-3 Saratov -> 50, 68

Debark:
CW:
MIL -> La Rochelle
USA:
AT -> Nantes
ART ->La Rochelle

Air Rebase:

USSR:
FTR2 52, 59 -> D-town
FTR2 57, 58 -> 52, 58
LND4 46, 60 -> 41, 53

USA;
LND3 B-18 Norfolk->Saint Johns
LND3 New York->Saint Johns
NAV3 Pearls Harbour->Pago Pago

CW:
FTR2 (51,24) -> Nantes
FTR2 (Southampton) -> 57,25
LND3 (49,29) -> 57,24
ATR3 (Cairo) -> Malta

No reorganization.

Jul/Aug '41
Impulse #2 (Axis)

After a long (too long) pause, and with a slightly revamped Australian Axis team.
We are ready to continue.
The we is David and I, David is graciously stepping into Scott's place, as Scott has a young family and few too many real life happenings to be able to continue playing.
So thanks to our Swedish opponents for allowing David to come in and help me continue.

No Dow's

Actions:
Naval: Japan
Combined: Italy
Land: Germany

Germany also plays O-Chit on Rundstedt

No Naval Air

Naval Movement:
Italy: TRN in Salonica sails to La Spezia
Japan: 7 task forces converge on South China Sea
Pic shows new occupants

Thank you Tony and Scott for the invite
I hope to make a difference

Jul/Aug '41
Impulse #2 (Axis)

Naval Moves cont:
Japan: From Fukuoka TRN loads CVP and sails to 0 box of Bismarck Sea
CP sails to China sea from Fukuoka
CA Idzumo, Suzuya and Java take on escort duties in China Sea
CA Nashi -> 0 box Bismarck Sea
CA Furutaki -> 4 box Bismarck Sea
Amp from Truk sails into Pakhoi Harbour

Jul/Aug '41
Impulse #2 (Axis) Cont.

No naval Combat

No Strat Bombing

Ground Strikes:
Japan:
Italy:
Germany: He 111 and Ju87 D strike 45,53 Soviets have 2 AA that may fire Do you wish them to fire?

No thanks

Jul/Aug '41
Impulse #2 (Axis)

Ground Strike:
German aircraft find all their targets

Jul/Aug '41
Impulse #2 (Axis)

Rail Moves:
Germany: Magdeburg Mil -> Cherbourg
HQ-I Von Leeb -> 56,27
Cernuati Mil -> Brest-Litovsk
Italy:C.200 -> Nickolayev

Jul/Aug '41
Impulse #2 (Axis)

Land Moves:
Italy:
Mech Libia -> 56,26 in France
HQ-I Balbo -> 57,55 in USSR
Germany:
In the extreme North Finnish troops cut the rail line to Murmansk Army Group Centre under Rundstedt mass for attack Shuffling and advancing of Axis units in the south of USSR