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Mike Solli wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 4:59 pm
Weird thing happened. One of my RO subs in the Aleutians is out of fuel. They're pulling out the oars and will make it back in a month. Then probably another month to repair all the damage. *sigh*

Mike Solli wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 6:26 pm
Two ships (CM and xAK) took damage and are on fire. I'm not sure they'll make it but they were put into their own TF and are working their way back to Kwajalein. It'll take about 9 days to make it but they either will or will succumb to the flames.

RangerJoe wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 11:47 pm This is about a submarine that actually used sails to return to port. The USS R-14:

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/08/ ... -14-ss-91/

PaxMondo wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 1:47 am

Mike Solli wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 6:26 pm
Two ships (CM and xAK) took damage and are on fire. I'm not sure they'll make it but they were put into their own TF and are working their way back to Kwajalein. It'll take about 9 days to make it but they either will or will succumb to the flames.

I will add an escort (DD/E/SC/PB as appropriate) to a ship on fire. Empirically It helps, but I have not done a rigorous test to prove it.

PaxMondo wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 1:42 am

Mike Solli wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 4:59 pm
Weird thing happened. One of my RO subs in the Aleutians is out of fuel. They're pulling out the oars and will make it back in a month. Then probably another month to repair all the damage. *sigh*

Supposedly, this isn't supposed to happen if you have them on a patrol zone ... they're supposed to RTB for fuel B4 they run out. Yet, I have 2 subs just like your Aleutian sub in the same state ... limping back to port accruing damage each day
(yes, when out of fuel, they accrue daily damage). I went back and confirmed from prior saves that they were on patrol, not set to a hex. Mysterious. I was worried it was a symptom of data corruption (variable memory overwrite) in my game, but since you're seeing it, I suspect not. Both of my subs have some small damage (~10 sys, 1-2 float/engine), so my current rationale is that the damage caused some fuel to leak before it was caught.

Mike Solli wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 4:56 pm

Chickenboy wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 3:32 am

Mike Solli wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 1:06 am Hi Pax! I'm hoping to hear from you a lot. I'm rusty. It's really good to be back!

Hory crap! Mike-san! Subscribe-a-jima!

Chickenboy!!! It's great to see you!

Hope all is well with you!

Mike Solli wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 2:01 am

PaxMondo wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 1:47 am

Mike Solli wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 6:26 pm
Two ships (CM and xAK) took damage and are on fire. I'm not sure they'll make it but they were put into their own TF and are working their way back to Kwajalein. It'll take about 9 days to make it but they either will or will succumb to the flames.

I will add an escort (DD/E/SC/PB as appropriate) to a ship on fire. Empirically It helps, but I have not done a rigorous test to prove it.

Yes, they have an escort and I have them on cruise speed.

Chickenboy wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 5:02 am

Mike Solli wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 4:56 pm

Chickenboy wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 3:32 am

Hory crap! Mike-san! Subscribe-a-jima!

Chickenboy!!! It's great to see you!

Hope all is well with you!

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PaxMondo wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 3:33 pm

Mike Solli wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 2:01 am

PaxMondo wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 1:47 am

I will add an escort (DD/E/SC/PB as appropriate) to a ship on fire. Empirically It helps, but I have not done a rigorous test to prove it.

Yes, they have an escort and I have them on cruise speed.

{imagine thumbs up emoticon here}

PaxMondo wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 1:42 am

Mike Solli wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 4:59 pm
Weird thing happened. One of my RO subs in the Aleutians is out of fuel. They're pulling out the oars and will make it back in a month. Then probably another month to repair all the damage. *sigh*

Supposedly, this isn't supposed to happen if you have them on a patrol zone ... they're supposed to RTB for fuel B4 they run out. Yet, I have 2 subs just like your Aleutian sub in the same state ... limping back to port accruing damage each day
(yes, when out of fuel, they accrue daily damage). I went back and confirmed from prior saves that they were on patrol, not set to a hex. Mysterious. I was worried it was a symptom of data corruption (variable memory overwrite) in my game, but since you're seeing it, I suspect not. Both of my subs have some small damage (~10 sys, 1-2 float/engine), so my current rationale is that the damage caused some fuel to leak before it was caught.

bradfordkay wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 8:51 pm

PaxMondo wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 1:42 am

Mike Solli wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 4:59 pm
Weird thing happened. One of my RO subs in the Aleutians is out of fuel. They're pulling out the oars and will make it back in a month. Then probably another month to repair all the damage. *sigh*

Supposedly, this isn't supposed to happen if you have them on a patrol zone ... they're supposed to RTB for fuel B4 they run out. Yet, I have 2 subs just like your Aleutian sub in the same state ... limping back to port accruing damage each day
(yes, when out of fuel, they accrue daily damage). I went back and confirmed from prior saves that they were on patrol, not set to a hex. Mysterious. I was worried it was a symptom of data corruption (variable memory overwrite) in my game, but since you're seeing it, I suspect not. Both of my subs have some small damage (~10 sys, 1-2 float/engine), so my current rationale is that the damage caused some fuel to leak before it was caught.

I have seen this happen numerous times over the years. I think that the AI fails to take into account the extra fuel spent when a sub is dealing with surface forces or spotted/attacked by air units. Anyway, however it happens, I have taken to checking all TFs for fuel status every two to three days and ordering subs on patrol to RTB if their "Endurance Needed" exceeds their remaining endurance. Yes, it means that I am often cutting patrols short but it has pretty much ended the need for sub crews to raise sail to make it home. Every now and then further enemy activity endangers their fuel status and in areas where I have no alternative bases for them to put into I have assigned some Replenishment TFs with the slow AOs to send forward to assist those poor sub crews.

RangerJoe wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 9:25 pm

bradfordkay wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 8:51 pm

PaxMondo wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 1:42 am

Supposedly, this isn't supposed to happen if you have them on a patrol zone ... they're supposed to RTB for fuel B4 they run out. Yet, I have 2 subs just like your Aleutian sub in the same state ... limping back to port accruing damage each day
(yes, when out of fuel, they accrue daily damage). I went back and confirmed from prior saves that they were on patrol, not set to a hex. Mysterious. I was worried it was a symptom of data corruption (variable memory overwrite) in my game, but since you're seeing it, I suspect not. Both of my subs have some small damage (~10 sys, 1-2 float/engine), so my current rationale is that the damage caused some fuel to leak before it was caught.

I have seen this happen numerous times over the years. I think that the AI fails to take into account the extra fuel spent when a sub is dealing with surface forces or spotted/attacked by air units. Anyway, however it happens, I have taken to checking all TFs for fuel status every two to three days and ordering subs on patrol to RTB if their "Endurance Needed" exceeds their remaining endurance. Yes, it means that I am often cutting patrols short but it has pretty much ended the need for sub crews to raise sail to make it home. Every now and then further enemy activity endangers their fuel status and in areas where I have no alternative bases for them to put into I have assigned some Replenishment TFs with the slow AOs to send forward to assist those poor sub crews.

Submarines do not replenish fuel at sea, at least in the game they should not do so.

bradfordkay wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 10:41 pm

RangerJoe wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 9:25 pm

bradfordkay wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 8:51 pm

I have seen this happen numerous times over the years. I think that the AI fails to take into account the extra fuel spent when a sub is dealing with surface forces or spotted/attacked by air units. Anyway, however it happens, I have taken to checking all TFs for fuel status every two to three days and ordering subs on patrol to RTB if their "Endurance Needed" exceeds their remaining endurance. Yes, it means that I am often cutting patrols short but it has pretty much ended the need for sub crews to raise sail to make it home. Every now and then further enemy activity endangers their fuel status and in areas where I have no alternative bases for them to put into I have assigned some Replenishment TFs with the slow AOs to send forward to assist those poor sub crews.

Submarines do not replenish fuel at sea, at least in the game they should not do so.

Interesting... I think that they have been doing so. I will have to check to see.

Mike Solli wrote: Thu Aug 07, 2025 1:05 am

bradfordkay wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 10:41 pm

RangerJoe wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 9:25 pm

Submarines do not replenish fuel at sea, at least in the game they should not do so.

Interesting... I think that they have been doing so. I will have to check to see.

I believe in the old WitP subs could replenish at sea but that ended in AE. I think that's when it ended. Initially they could and now they can't.

Mike Solli wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 11:12 am You have not changed, CB! Just needed a break after some 20 years with this game. Ready for another 20 years!

Seacat54 wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 3:47 pm

PaxMondo wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 3:33 pm

Mike Solli wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 2:01 am

Yes, they have an escort and I have them on cruise speed.

{imagine thumbs up emoticon here}

Does it matter what type the escort is?
Usually Ansuyu PB would be the most economical solution but do the commander stats of the escort matter?

RangerJoe wrote: Thu Aug 07, 2025 11:13 am

Seacat54 wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 3:47 pm

PaxMondo wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 3:33 pm

{imagine thumbs up emoticon here}

Does it matter what type the escort is?
Usually Ansuyu PB would be the most economical solution but do the commander stats of the escort matter?

As far as I know, and I don't know if a developer mentioned this, but up to and including 5 escorts will help the crippled ship. I do not know if up to 10 escorts will help 2 crippled ships in the same TF. It would not hurt if the escort TF was following an ASW TF, especially for high valued ships.

I would also believe that the ratings for the crippled ship are what is important for that ship, the commander of the TF would be important for the TF as a whole but not for the individual ships unless the TF commander is also a ship's captain.

RangerJoe wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 9:25 pm

bradfordkay wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 8:51 pm

PaxMondo wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 1:42 am

Supposedly, this isn't supposed to happen if you have them on a patrol zone ... they're supposed to RTB for fuel B4 they run out. Yet, I have 2 subs just like your Aleutian sub in the same state ... limping back to port accruing damage each day
(yes, when out of fuel, they accrue daily damage). I went back and confirmed from prior saves that they were on patrol, not set to a hex. Mysterious. I was worried it was a symptom of data corruption (variable memory overwrite) in my game, but since you're seeing it, I suspect not. Both of my subs have some small damage (~10 sys, 1-2 float/engine), so my current rationale is that the damage caused some fuel to leak before it was caught.

I have seen this happen numerous times over the years. I think that the AI fails to take into account the extra fuel spent when a sub is dealing with surface forces or spotted/attacked by air units. Anyway, however it happens, I have taken to checking all TFs for fuel status every two to three days and ordering subs on patrol to RTB if their "Endurance Needed" exceeds their remaining endurance. Yes, it means that I am often cutting patrols short but it has pretty much ended the need for sub crews to raise sail to make it home. Every now and then further enemy activity endangers their fuel status and in areas where I have no alternative bases for them to put into I have assigned some Replenishment TFs with the slow AOs to send forward to assist those poor sub crews.

Submarines do not replenish fuel at sea, at least in the game they should not do so.

Seacat54 wrote: Thu Aug 07, 2025 1:11 pm

RangerJoe wrote: Thu Aug 07, 2025 11:13 am

Seacat54 wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 3:47 pm

Does it matter what type the escort is?
Usually Ansuyu PB would be the most economical solution but do the commander stats of the escort matter?

As far as I know, and I don't know if a developer mentioned this, but up to and including 5 escorts will help the crippled ship. I do not know if up to 10 escorts will help 2 crippled ships in the same TF. It would not hurt if the escort TF was following an ASW TF, especially for high valued ships.

I would also believe that the ratings for the crippled ship are what is important for that ship, the commander of the TF would be important for the TF as a whole but not for the individual ships unless the TF commander is also a ship's captain.

Thanks, I had missed that number!