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ORIGINAL: rader

I mean, are they supposed to give an advantage in ability to get through defenses, accuracy, or damage inflicted? And if none of these, what's the point of using them?

ORIGINAL: krupp_88mm

pro version.....

ORIGINAL: Nemo121

No, not after I was left hung out to dry by the forum when Krupp posted.

Posting any advice about kamis in this thread would obviously relate to this game and I've said I wouldn't do that ---- plus why make myself a target when I KNOW most people here won't actually pipe up if I'm attacked for answering their questions. If I thought they'd stand up I'd be more willing to post but making myself a helpless target in order to help people who don't lift a finger in response --- No thanks.

I've been PM'ed re: advice on kamis today and have responded by directing those who contacted me via PM to my previous AARs. There's more than enough information there for people to draw the correct conclusions.

ORIGINAL: Itdepends

Boy you could read that the wrong way - sleeping with the enemy and all that.

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

@ Rader,

I would expect improved efficacy of your kamikaze attackers were they escorted. None of the small-ish raids that you showed had escorted attackers. I would expect that Helen IIa kamikazes encountering appreciable CAP would get shredded and have their attack dulled, just as a 'regular' unescorted flight of Helens would be kneecapped. I'd expected somewhat better results from your Oscar IIa attack, as they are speedier and presumably more able to avoid CAP, but the sample size here is hard to make heads or tails out of.

Kamikazes are going to be a numbers game. You're going to lose a bunch of 'em. Thousands, like IRL. Every so often-say 10-20% of the time-one will hit and cause some pain. Although I don't have the personal PBEM Kamikaze experience behind me (yet), I would venture that large commitments (say 1000 in a turn) of trained and escorted kamikazes that are capable of breaking through a fatigued Allied CAP are likely to engender more success for you.

In your example, I count a total of 70 Kamikaze losses (mixed frames) to all losses. How many of these broke through CAP? You certainly can't fault the kamikaze mission for bombers getting chewed up by CAP, can you?

Still, with all the issues associated with these attacks, you've scored 3 hits. That's 4.3%.

I would venture this percentage can be improved to the better by incrementally improving your kamikaze approaches or methods. Good luck! We're rooting on you to fend off the Allied dogs!

ORIGINAL: rader

I mean, are they supposed to give an advantage in ability to get through defenses, accuracy, or damage inflicted? And if none of these, what's the point of using them?

ORIGINAL: FatR

ORIGINAL: rader

I mean, are they supposed to give an advantage in ability to get through defenses, accuracy, or damage inflicted? And if none of these, what's the point of using them?

My testing suggests that kamikaze give a greater accuracy (by this I mean =/= 0) to untrained pilots fresh from reserve, but actually do significantly reduced damage compared to just putting the same bomb weight into the target by normal means, so that you need at least 2, and better 3 Val hits to put a DE or an old DD anywhere near critical condition. I cannot vouch 100% that this wasn't changed somehow by beta tweaks since then.

ORIGINAL: FatR

ORIGINAL: rader

I mean, are they supposed to give an advantage in ability to get through defenses, accuracy, or damage inflicted? And if none of these, what's the point of using them?

My testing suggests that kamikaze give a greater accuracy (by this I mean =/= 0) to untrained pilots fresh from reserve, but actually do significantly reduced damage compared to just putting the same bomb weight into the target by normal means, so that you need at least 2, and better 3 Val hits to put a DE or an old DD anywhere near critical condition. I cannot vouch 100% that this wasn't changed somehow by beta tweaks since then.

ORIGINAL: rader
I mean, it only takes a month or so to train a pilot up to around 60 NavB skill (maybe 1.5 months), where they have a decent chance of hitting. Maybe the reason they seem useless is that training pilots to be "average" (~60 skill) dosen't take very long.