What's your Strategy?
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warspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:37 pm
If, as Grigsby says, carriers are worth 10x battleships, the plan is a no brainer.
Because it's crushing to your point.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:02 pmwarspite1
So you relate everything to kamakazes????? Pathetic.
The Bettys can be timed to arrive with the first strike. Later, the carriers will have zeros left on Maui.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:06 pmwarspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:37 pm
The carriers are providing fighter cover. And the aircraft on Oahu are being smashed.
Hilarious. You simply can't get your story straight. You've changed this so many times its embarrassing. The KB remain off HI providing air cover, then the KB are sailing away as per history, then the KB are providing assistance to the Midway landings. It's all muddled nonsense.
Someone else did, though.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:00 pmwarspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:37 pm
The idea that he intended his carriers to be torched in the Pearl raid is insane.
When did I say anything like this? Don't you dare put words in my mouth.
warspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:10 pmI've posted it more than once. Try to keep up.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:57 pmwarspite1
No, not at all. You couldn't be bothered to detail a requirement so I tried a number to get things kick-started. But if you are saying Yamamoto was so certain about the carriers and their importance (such that he would be prepared to delay a war), then it would make sense that he would insist on two.
warspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:13 pmSomeone else did, though.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:00 pmwarspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:37 pm
The idea that he intended his carriers to be torched in the Pearl raid is insane.
When did I say anything like this? Don't you dare put words in my mouth.
A carrier is worth 10x a battleship. Anyone who thinks otherwise is clueless.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:10 pmwarspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:37 pm
If, as Grigsby says, carriers are worth 10x battleships, the plan is a no brainer.
The sentence that provides all I need to know. I am sorry to say you simply don't have a clue.
warspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:11 pmBecause it's crushing to your point.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:02 pmwarspite1
So you relate everything to kamakazes????? Pathetic.
Lots of detail and I did say two was the trigger.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:14 pmwarspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:10 pmI've posted it more than once. Try to keep up.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:57 pm warspite1
No, not at all. You couldn't be bothered to detail a requirement so I tried a number to get things kick-started. But if you are saying Yamamoto was so certain about the carriers and their importance (such that he would be prepared to delay a war), then it would make sense that he would insist on two.
Nope - you simply responded to something I raised - and I raised it because you didn't understand the need to address the point in the first place! But that is your thought process all over - total lack of detail and awareness of what happened historically.
warspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:13 pmThe Bettys can be timed to arrive with the first strike. Later, the carriers will have zeros left on Maui.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:06 pmwarspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:37 pm
The carriers are providing fighter cover. And the aircraft on Oahu are being smashed.
Hilarious. You simply can't get your story straight. You've changed this so many times its embarrassing. The KB remain off HI providing air cover, then the KB are sailing away as per history, then the KB are providing assistance to the Midway landings. It's all muddled nonsense.
Anyone willing to fly a plane suicidally into a ship can handle a stint at sea.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:16 pmwarspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:11 pmBecause it's crushing to your point.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:02 pm warspite1
So you relate everything to kamakazes????? Pathetic.
No because its what you believe to be your get out of jail free card. The Japanese on Guadalcanal beat back the US attackers and evicted them from the island because of the spirit of the Kamakaze right?
warspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:15 pmA carrier is worth 10x a battleship. Anyone who thinks otherwise is clueless.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:10 pmwarspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:37 pm
If, as Grigsby says, carriers are worth 10x battleships, the plan is a no brainer.
The sentence that provides all I need to know. I am sorry to say you simply don't have a clue.
It doesn't have to be timed perfectly. Just within the time frame of the first strike.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:17 pmwarspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:13 pmThe Bettys can be timed to arrive with the first strike. Later, the carriers will have zeros left on Maui.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:06 pm warspite1
Hilarious. You simply can't get your story straight. You've changed this so many times its embarrassing. The KB remain off HI providing air cover, then the KB are sailing away as per history, then the KB are providing assistance to the Midway landings. It's all muddled nonsense.
Of course - it's warfare, everything can be timed perfectly. Good grief....
warspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:18 pmAnyone willing to fly a plane suicidally into a ship can handle a stint at sea.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:16 pmwarspite1
No because its what you believe to be your get out of jail free card. The Japanese on Guadalcanal beat back the US attackers and evicted them from the island because of the spirit of the Kamakaze right?
Probably more than 10x. Regardless, carriers are far more valuable than battleships. That makes the plan a no brainer.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:18 pmwarspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:15 pmA carrier is worth 10x a battleship. Anyone who thinks otherwise is clueless.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:10 pm warspite1
The sentence that provides all I need to know. I am sorry to say you simply don't have a clue.
Yes 10x. Not 9x or 11x but 10x because a wargame maker used a subjective number for game play purposes.
warspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:19 pmIt doesn't have to be timed perfectly. Just within the time frame of the first strike.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:17 pmwarspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:13 pm
The Bettys can be timed to arrive with the first strike. Later, the carriers will have zeros left on Maui.
Of course - it's warfare, everything can be timed perfectly. Good grief....
warspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:21 pmProbably more than 10x. Regardless, carriers are far more valuable than battleships. That make the plan a no brainer.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:18 pmwarspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:15 pm
A carrier is worth 10x a battleship. Anyone who thinks otherwise is clueless.
Yes 10x. Not 9x or 11x but 10x because a wargame maker used a subjective number for game play purposes.
The Bushido code was universal.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:20 pmwarspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:18 pmAnyone willing to fly a plane suicidally into a ship can handle a stint at sea.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:16 pm warspite1
No because its what you believe to be your get out of jail free card. The Japanese on Guadalcanal beat back the US attackers and evicted them from the island because of the spirit of the Kamakaze right?
Lots of embarrassing posts - this one is pretty much the best. So ALL Japanese are the same person???? Every Japanese soldier could endure anything because some Japanese became Kamakaze???? Wow.
They have these things called radios!!! That's how they coordinate.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:23 pmwarspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:19 pmIt doesn't have to be timed perfectly. Just within the time frame of the first strike.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:17 pm warspite1
Of course - it's warfare, everything can be timed perfectly. Good grief....
It does have to be timed perfectly. Too late and the Bettys walk into an alert enemy over Oahu. Too early and the Betty's alert the defenders of Oahu to the incoming carrier strike.
Too early for the landing on Maui and the Bettys land on an airfield in US hands.
Yes, this ridiculously complex 'plan' needed precision. But you don't bother with detail.
So that's the argument: They didn't do it, therefore they couldn't do it. No hypotheticals ever.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:25 pmwarspite1Curtis Lemay wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:21 pmProbably more than 10x. Regardless, carriers are far more valuable than battleships. That make the plan a no brainer.warspite1 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:18 pm warspite1
Yes 10x. Not 9x or 11x but 10x because a wargame maker used a subjective number for game play purposes.
But everyone knows carriers are more valuable than battleships - you don't need to quote Grigsby and a factor of 10x.
But if everyone - and particularly Yamamoto - knew this in 1941 why wasn't your 'plan' adopted?