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But both sides have been using it, consistently.  Read through GJ's AAR.  Look at the sizes of the raids.  Yes, it's a flaw.  Yes it needs to be fixed.  But how can you claim exploit, when GJ has been doing the same thing? 

ORIGINAL: Bluebook

ORIGINAL: rader

ORIGINAL: vicberg

That's a design flaw then, if true.  Can't make an artificial limit like that.  The game breaks down in large numbers. 

That's what I noticed and reported with the bomber raids. I could have 500-600 fighters and it didn't matter - most didn't fight. It's all about swamping the CAP with the largest raid possible.

In other words: you knew. And used it...

It might be a good idea to cool it on the vitriolic comments, Bluebook. We ALL know and use things in the game to benefit our play.

Rader actually reported the problem and tried to get the GAME fixed so everyone could actually have a better mechanism to use. Lets get back to the game. If you have an issue beyond this there are other places to voice it more effectively.

Let me just say that this game has been fun to follow from both sides. I have almost ten years on this forum and it is the most interesting AAR that I have ever read. In a way it is also exploring uncharted territory as serves as a play test for late war games. I doubt very seriously that the game could ever have been play tested to work out the issues that both players are dealing with now. There is a lot going back and forth about what is right and what is not.

That said, GJ was making a bold strike at a point in Japan which if successful could have ultimately proved fatal to Rader. We really do not fully understand what is broken or not as how many of us have experienced this sort of thing. But I can't fault any player for doing whatever is necessary to turn back an attack such as this. The stakes are just too high. As an Allied player I feel for GJ but I would have done the same if I could.

ORIGINAL: crsutton

Let me just say that this game has been fun to follow from both sides. I have almost ten years on this forum and it is the most interesting AAR that I have ever read. In a way it is also exploring uncharted territory as serves as a play test for late war games. I doubt very seriously that the game could ever have been play tested to work out the issues that both players are dealing with now. There is a lot going back and forth about what is right and what is not.

That said, GJ was making a bold strike at a point in Japan which if successful could have ultimately proved fatal to Rader. We really do not fully understand what is broken or not as how many of us have experienced this sort of thing. But I can't fault any player for doing whatever is necessary to turn back an attack such as this. The stakes are just too high. As an Allied player I feel for GJ but I would have done the same if I could.

Agreed. I may not agree with the choice, but it was bold and this game has been extremely fun to watch. I compliment both players. Both players have basically "won" this game from the sheer entertainment value alone.

ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

Hans- You just have a way of pissing off everyone, in every post, in every topic...

sooner or later you're hopefully going to figure out that pissing them off to the degree they deserve is the aim [8D]

I have to laugh at the people who are claiming Rader (or GJ) is "Guilty" of something (gaming the system, a-historic play, taking advantage of game engine quirks , etc..).

Who asked your opinion on that subject? Not Rader, nor for that matter did GJ . Are you somehow harmed by the two of them playing and enjoying the game? Have you money invested on either sides' performance?

This is Scen 2, completely a-historic from the get go. Does anyone really think that the US would be prosecuting the war with the level of casualties that have been inflicted to this point? Wouldn't Japan be stronger with ALL of Asia under its dominion? The airstrikes used by both sides are large enough to make bomber command in Europe envious, yet Rader and GJ continue to play and enjoy the game.

This game has about as much in common with reality as the war between Oceana and (edit Eastasia oops)Eurasia.

ORIGINAL:

This game has about as much in common with reality as the war between Oceana and Eurasia.

We have always been at war with Eastasia hun. Report to Miniluv at once.

ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

ORIGINAL:

This game has about as much in common with reality as the war between Oceana and Eurasia.

We have always been at war with Eastasia hun. Report to Miniluv at once.

One of my fav quotes of all time!!! [:D][:D][:D]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

Hans- You just have a way of pissing off everyone, in every post, in every topic...

sooner or later you're hopefully going to figure out that pissing them off to the degree they deserve is the aim [8D]

Congrats..[8|]

Hi Rader,

Bump from page two purgatory. What's new in the Empire?

ORIGINAL: crsutton

ORIGINAL: rader

ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

How is your HI reserve and the general situation of fuel,oil,resources and supply if I might ask ?

Fairly healthy I'd say (most in Japan):

HI ~ 1.8 million
Fuel ~ 7.7 million
Oil ~ 3 million
Supply ~ 5.5 million
Resources ?? but lots in home islands (generally you don't run out if you bring them home unless really blockaded).

Really an excellent reserve. It demonstrates to me the penalty to the Allies if they are not able to interdict the oil supply until late in the game. A hypothetical question for you. Considering the date, if the Allied player were able to completely sever your oil supply tomorrow, will this sort of reserve support Japan through 1946? That is given cutting and trimming production where needed, should this be enough?

Rader,

A bump to this post from crsutton. I'd like to know your answer to his query as well.

Sorry, I don't know for sure. My guess is that I have about a year reserve, so it would make a difference, but not until late 1945/early1946.

Well Rader, now that his CV's forces have taken a big hit he has supply line issues to worry about. His three beach heads still need to be supplied as does his new island conquest, that is a lot of shipping he needs to escort.

You can lay back and let him bring the air, land. and sea war to you (as he will anyhow), but is there something you can do offensively?

Maybe... but his supply lines barely run outside land-based air cover. And as we've seen, that can be pretty deadly...

Since all his planes are at Ominato, following the WITP:AE maxim that if you have enough escorts, your bombers are invulnerable, I decided to send gobs of sacrificial oscars with untrained pilots as ablative armor for over 400 bombers. Lost most of the Oscars, but at least none of the pilots were any good. And the bombers were barely scratched.

Seriously guys, I am convinced the air to air combat system is a bit screwy, at least for large raids. Also silly how escot fighters are at least 5 times more vulnerable than if they are sweeping or flying cap and maybe more ~ but they do get the bombers through in style. (I'm not talking about here because obviously these rookies wouldn't stand a chance).

My observations from experiences throughout the campaign (India, Solomons, Japan):

Sweep/CAP - use the best planes and pilots as possible.
Escort: plane/pilot make virtually no difference; these guys are flying suicide missions anyway. But just having crappy planes and pilots to occupy the CAP and absorb ammunition is vital to get the bombers through.

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Morning Air attack on Hakodate , at 119,53

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 167
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 452
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 375



Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 16
Seafire L.III x 3
Mosquito FB.VI x 14
Spitfire VIII x 72
Thunderbolt I x 12
Thunderbolt II x 6
Spitfire VIII x 20
F4U-1D Corsair x 25
P-38J Lightning x 16
P-38L Lightning x 66
P-39N2 Airacobra x 11
P-39N1 Airacobra x 10
P-40N5 Warhawk x 56
P-40N26 Warhawk x 6
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 21
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 92
P-51B Mustang x 36
FM-2 Wildcat x 48
F4U-1A Corsair x 93
F4U-1D Corsair x 139
F6F-3 Hellcat x 184
F6F-5 Hellcat x 246


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 63 destroyed <-Most actually destroyed by CAP
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 183 destroyed <-Most actually destroyed by CAP
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 7 damaged <- not a single one touched by CAP

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 2 damaged
Spitfire VIII: 5 damaged
Spitfire VIII: 5 destroyed on ground
Thunderbolt I: 1 damaged
Thunderbolt I: 1 destroyed on ground
Thunderbolt II: 4 damaged
Thunderbolt II: 1 destroyed on ground
Spitfire VIII: 2 damaged
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed on ground
F4U-1D Corsair: 4 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed on ground
P-38J Lightning: 3 damaged
P-38J Lightning: 2 destroyed on ground
P-38L Lightning: 29 damaged
P-38L Lightning: 13 destroyed on ground
P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 damaged
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed on ground
P-51B Mustang: 1 destroyed on ground
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged
FM-2 Wildcat: 5 destroyed on ground
F4U-1A Corsair: 6 damaged
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed on ground
F4U-1D Corsair: 25 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 5 destroyed on ground
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed on ground
F6F-5 Hellcat: 3 destroyed, 20 damaged
F6F-5 Hellcat: 11 destroyed on ground
B-25H Mitchell: 8 destroyed on ground
C-47 Skytrain: 12 destroyed on ground
PBJ-1J Mitchell: 3 destroyed on ground
PB4Y-1P Liberator: 2 destroyed on ground
B-29-1 Superfort: 29 destroyed on ground
C-87 Liberator: 5 destroyed on ground
B-24J Liberator: 45 destroyed on ground
Liberator B.VI: 6 destroyed on ground
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 1 destroyed on ground
P-70A-1 Havoc: 1 destroyed on ground
C-46A Commando: 8 destroyed on ground
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 5 destroyed on ground
Beaufort I: 3 destroyed on ground
TBM-1C Avenger: 12 destroyed on ground
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 6 destroyed on ground
SBD-5 Dauntless: 2 destroyed on ground
PV-1 Ventura: 2 destroyed on ground
B-25D1 Mitchell: 3 destroyed on ground
Dakota III: 3 destroyed on ground
B-24D1 Liberator: 3 destroyed on ground
F-5A Lightning: 3 destroyed on ground
Wellington Ic: 2 destroyed on ground
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 4 destroyed on ground
Liberator II: 2 destroyed on ground
F-7A Liberator: 1 destroyed on ground
Wellington B.X: 2 destroyed on ground
F-5E Lightning: 1 destroyed on ground
TBF-1 Avenger: 2 destroyed on ground
F6F-5N Hellcat: 1 destroyed on ground
A-20G Havoc: 2 destroyed on ground
F6F-3N Hellcat: 1 destroyed on ground
Beaufighter VIf: 3 destroyed on ground
B-25J1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed on ground


Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Airbase hits 60
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 159

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
23 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
31 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
26 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-43-IV Oscar sweeping at 10000 feet
37 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
22 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
25 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
25 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
24 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
26 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
28 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-43-IV Oscar sweeping at 10000 feet
5 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-43-IV Oscar sweeping at 10000 feet
1 x Ki-43-IIIa Oscar sweeping at 10000 feet
1 x Ki-43-IV Oscar sweeping at 10000 feet
1 x Ki-43-IV Oscar sweeping at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-43-IV Oscar sweeping at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-43-IIIa Oscar sweeping at 10000 feet

CAP engaged:
VC(F)-21 with F6F-3 Hellcat (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 18000
Raid is overhead
343rd FG/18th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 42000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
VMF-312 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 8 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes
VRF-4F with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000
Raid is overhead
VF-17 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 22 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes
VF-1 with F4U-1D Corsair (4 airborne, 14 on standby, 20 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes
VF-6 with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 14 on standby, 21 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minutes
VF-7 with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
VF-8 with F6F-5 Hellcat (4 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
VF-10 with F6F-5 Hellcat (4 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
VF-11 with F6F-5 Hellcat (4 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
VF-13 with F6F-5 Hellcat (4 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
VF-14 with F6F-5 Hellcat (4 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
VF-16 with F6F-5 Hellcat (4 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
VF-18 with F4U-1D Corsair (4 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
VF-71 with F6F-5 Hellcat (4 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
VF-22 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
VF-23 with F4U-1D Corsair (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
VF-24 with F6F-5 Hellcat (4 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
VF-25 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Hakodate , at 119,53

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 117 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 9
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 57
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 78



Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 15
Seafire L.III x 2
Mosquito FB.VI x 12
Spitfire VIII x 66
Thunderbolt I x 11
Thunderbolt II x 6
Spitfire VIII x 17
F4U-1D Corsair x 21
P-38J Lightning x 14
P-38L Lightning x 57
P-39N2 Airacobra x 10
P-39N1 Airacobra x 7
P-40N5 Warhawk x 50
P-40N26 Warhawk x 5
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 20
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 86
P-51B Mustang x 32
FM-2 Wildcat x 40
F4U-1A Corsair x 88
F4U-1D Corsair x 126
F6F-3 Hellcat x 168
F6F-5 Hellcat x 225


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 6 destroyed <- Most destroyed by CAP
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 21 destroyed <- Most destroyed by CAP
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 7 damaged <- Not a single one destroyed by CAP
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Mosquito FB.VI: 4 damaged
Mosquito FB.VI: 2 destroyed on ground
Spitfire VIII: 3 damaged
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed on ground
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed on ground
P-38L Lightning: 14 damaged
P-38L Lightning: 3 destroyed on ground
P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 damaged
P-40N5 Warhawk: 2 destroyed on ground
P-40N26 Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 5 damaged
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed on ground
P-51B Mustang: 4 damaged
P-51B Mustang: 2 destroyed on ground
FM-2 Wildcat: 2 damaged
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 destroyed on ground
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 damaged
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed on ground
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed on ground
F6F-3 Hellcat: 15 damaged
F6F-3 Hellcat: 5 destroyed on ground
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 damaged
F6F-5 Hellcat: 2 destroyed on ground
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed on ground
B-24J Liberator: 12 destroyed on ground
B-29-1 Superfort: 7 destroyed on ground
C-47 Skytrain: 15 destroyed on ground
Wellington B.X: 1 destroyed on ground
C-87 Liberator: 2 destroyed on ground
B-25H Mitchell: 3 destroyed on ground
TBM-1C Avenger: 2 destroyed on ground
C-46A Commando: 4 destroyed on ground
P-61A Black Widow: 1 destroyed on ground
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed on ground
Liberator B.VI: 3 destroyed on ground
SBD-5 Dauntless: 1 destroyed on ground
B-25J1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed on ground
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 1 destroyed on ground
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 destroyed on ground
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed on ground
Avenger II: 1 destroyed on ground
F6F-5N Hellcat: 1 destroyed on ground



Airbase hits 8
Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
30 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
28 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VC(F)-21 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters to 21000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
343rd FG/18th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 42000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
VMF-312 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 4 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 16000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes
2 planes vectored on to bombers
VRF-4F with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
VF-17 with F4U-1A Corsair (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 8 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
24 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-1 with F4U-1D Corsair (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
19 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 17880.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minutes
6 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-6 with F6F-5 Hellcat (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 17 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
14 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 3000 and 22000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 49 minutes
VF-7 with F6F-5 Hellcat (9 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
10 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
VF-8 with F6F-5 Hellcat (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
10 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-10 with F6F-5 Hellcat (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 6 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 16000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-11 with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
11 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-13 with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 85 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-14 with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
21 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 57 minutes
VF-16 with F6F-5 Hellcat (4 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
13 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 22000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes
11 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-18 with F4U-1D Corsair (12 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) intercepting now.
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 66 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-71 with F6F-5 Hellcat (4 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
11 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 66 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-22 with F6F-3 Hellcat (3 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
VF-23 with F4U-1D Corsair (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-24 with F6F-5 Hellcat (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
VF-25 with F6F-3 Hellcat (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers

Ouch, that's over 300 4E bombers torched there.

Good show (although certainly there's a fair amount of FOW).
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BANZAI!!!

With ridiculuous overstacking comes outsized risk. Good job makin' him pay, Rader.

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

With ridiculuous overstacking comes outsized risk. Good job makin' him pay, Rader.

Fair enough for the bombs that got through, but Radar's bomber losses seem absurdly low to me.
Against that much CAP he should have paid a much, much higher price to get the bombers through.