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Air losses for the day...

Lowpe wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:40 pm

Encircled wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:27 am Found that my embedded AT Guns in Chinese Corps tended to do okay, but the individual AT Rgt got completely destroyed by air attack, even if decent terrain

Were there plenty of other units with the guns...I assume so. I will have to pay attention to this as Japan is relentlessly bombing my poor Chinese troopers.

More devices for the damage go be spread around on the units in the front lines. If you can, bring in some AAA units to surprise the Japanese air crews. To go with a surprise LRCAP that pops in and out.

Lowpe wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:42 am Ok...that didn't take too long, but this conflicts with what you just did I think :

Whether a unit is restricted (permanent or otherwise) or is not restricted, has no bearing on how many airframes must be in the pools to upgrade/downgrade.

The conditions needed for upgrading/downgrading an air unit are:

1. The air unit is located at

(a) an airfield size 7 or

(b) the HQ to which the air unit is attached to is at a size 7 airfield and the two units are within the transfer range of the aircraft model (existing or prospective)

(c) if on a ship, the ship is at a base with an airfield size 7

2. The base with the level 7 airfield has 20k supply

3. If PDU OFF, only the next scheduled upgrade model can be chosen. There is no downgrading in PDU OFF

4. If PDU ON, the selection is only possible from the displayed models. Downgrading to a displayed model is possible in PDU ON

5. If upgrading is set to "automatic" there must be sufficient airframes in the pools of the scheduled upgrade model to fully reequip the air unit

6 If upgrading is done "manually"

(a) there must be sufficient airframes in the pools to fully reequip the air unit if the unit is scheduled to be withdrawn, or

(b) there must be at least 1 airframe in the pools if the unit is not scheduled to be withdrawn

7. Automatic upgrades do not occur if the aviation support present is less than the aviation support required. Manual upgrades do not check the aviation support.

8. Airfields with more than 59% service or runway damage will not permit an upgrade

9. The minimum airfield size is decreased by the presence of HQs


These conditions have been present since the release date.

Alfred

There was no upgrade possible for an air unit set to withdraw with no upgrade listed.

Remember that Alfred was not always correct but he was like Ivory soap, 99.8%!

But the VMO 215 does return later so that may have made a difference.

There are ways to get aircraft out of air units that withdraw!

Note the smile on the cat!

Lowpe wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:22 pm March 15, 1943

Ihope I am not too late here, as there is quite a gaggle of shipping in port at Rabaul....I have moved 4 beast squadrons within range, resting now, while the Lightnings and Corsairs are ready to sweep, moved the subs to catch fleeing ships from Rabaul after the sweeps and heavy bombers go in on port strike...but Japan might be fleeing today....two days too early.


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The AKE takes four torpedoes over the course of the day to finally sink...

But where's the Kaboom!? There should have been an earth-shattering Kaboom!

Lowpe wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:40 pm

Encircled wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:27 am Found that my embedded AT Guns in Chinese Corps tended to do okay, but the individual AT Rgt got completely destroyed by air attack, even if decent terrain

Were there plenty of other units with the guns...I assume so. I will have to pay attention to this as Japan is relentlessly bombing my poor Chinese troopers.

Yeah

Decent terrain as well

Obviously the more forts the better

It is next to impossible for the Chinese to stop Japanese armor unfortunately

March 16, 1943

Seems like Japan is pulling back...

Two nice AMCs landed troops on Kusaie and will now pull away, even though they aren't finished unloading....don't want to risk them too much.

Kusaie

So the question is, when I changed that air units aircraft when it should not be possible, should that be reported as a "bug" or just accept it as a "feature" and let it go at that?

RangerJoe wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:18 pm So the question is, when I changed that air units aircraft when it should not be possible, should that be reported as a "bug" or just accept it as a "feature" and let it go at that?

Did you check with perm removed squadrons?

March 17, 1943

I like to give my local commanders threat tolerances (and generally choose them with lower aggresion) and let them make the nitty gritty decisions...oops!
The PT boats weren't enough to stop the devastation that follows:

Day Time Surface Combat, near Wewak at 96,119, Range 17,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima
CA Kako
DD Isokaze
DD Urakaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Susukaze

Allied Ships
PT-224, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
PT-227
PT-228
PT-234
PT-255, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-256, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 17,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 17,000 yards
Schuman, L.O. gains tactical advantage

Maybe I should have upgraded the APDs...they might have had radar....

Day Time Surface Combat, near Wewak at 96,119, Range 20,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima
CA Kako, Shell hits 1
DD Isokaze
DD Urakaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Susukaze, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
APD Manley, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD Colhoun, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD Gregory, Shell hits 4
APD Little, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD McKean, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD Stringham, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
APD Waters, Shell hits 4, heavy fires

Allied ground losses:
738 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 18 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 18 destroyed, 26 disabled

Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 20,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 20,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages APD Stringham at 20,000 yards
DD Urakaze engages APD Stringham at 20,000 yards
Range closes to 19,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages APD Stringham at 19,000 yards
DD Susukaze engages APD Colhoun at 19,000 yards
DD Hamakaze engages APD Colhoun at 19,000 yards
DD Urakaze engages APD Colhoun at 19,000 yards
DD Isokaze engages APD Manley at 19,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages APD Manley at 19,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Stringham at 18,000 yards
DD Susukaze engages APD Manley at 18,000 yards
DD Hamakaze engages APD Colhoun at 18,000 yards
DD Isokaze engages APD Colhoun at 18,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Manley at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 16,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Waters at 16,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Stringham at 16,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Little at 16,000 yards
DD Isokaze engages APD Gregory at 16,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Manley at 16,000 yards
Range closes to 13,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Waters at 13,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Stringham at 13,000 yards
DD Susukaze engages APD Gregory at 13,000 yards
DD Hamakaze engages APD Stringham at 13,000 yards
DD Urakaze engages APD Gregory at 13,000 yards
DD Isokaze engages APD Colhoun at 13,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Manley at 13,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages APD Waters at 12,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Manley at 12,000 yards
DD Susukaze engages APD Stringham at 12,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Little at 12,000 yards
DD Urakaze engages APD Stringham at 12,000 yards
DD Isokaze engages APD Colhoun at 12,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Manley at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Waters at 9,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages APD Stringham at 9,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages APD McKean at 9,000 yards
DD Hamakaze engages APD Colhoun at 9,000 yards
DD Urakaze engages APD Stringham at 9,000 yards
DD Isokaze engages APD Stringham at 9,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Manley at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards
APD Stringham sunk by BB Kirishima at 12,000 yards
DD Susukaze engages APD Waters at 12,000 yards
DD Hamakaze engages APD Manley at 12,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages APD Gregory at 12,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages APD Colhoun at 12,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Manley at 12,000 yards
Range increases to 13,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages APD Manley at 13,000 yards
Massive explosion on APD McKean
CA Kako engages APD McKean at 13,000 yards
DD Susukaze engages APD Little at 13,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages APD Gregory at 13,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Colhoun at 13,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages APD Manley at 13,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages APD Waters at 12,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages APD McKean at 12,000 yards
DD Susukaze engages APD Gregory at 12,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Gregory at 12,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Colhoun at 12,000 yards
DD Isokaze engages APD Waters at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages APD Waters at 9,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD McKean at 9,000 yards
DD Susukaze engages APD Gregory at 9,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Gregory at 9,000 yards
DD Urakaze engages APD Waters at 9,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages APD Gregory at 8,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Waters at 8,000 yards
DD Susukaze engages APD Gregory at 8,000 yards
CA Kako engages APD Gregory at 8,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages APD Colhoun at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
DD Hamakaze engages APD Gregory at 11,000 yards
DD Urakaze engages APD Colhoun at 11,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages APD Manley at 11,000 yards
Range increases to 16,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages APD Waters at 16,000 yards
DD Hamakaze engages APD Gregory at 16,000 yards
DD Urakaze engages APD Waters at 16,000 yards
DD Isokaze engages APD Manley at 16,000 yards
Range increases to 19,000 yards
DD Isokaze engages APD Little at 19,000 yards
Range increases to 22,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages APD McKean at 22,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages APD Manley at 22,000 yards
Range increases to 25,000 yards
Range increases to 29,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Wewak at 96,119, Range 19,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima
CA Kako
DD Isokaze
DD Urakaze, Shell hits 1
DD Hamakaze
DD Susukaze

Allied Ships
APD Manley, and is sunk
APD Colhoun, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD Gregory, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD Little, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
APD McKean, Shell hits 22, and is sunk
APD Waters, Shell hits 13, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
284 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 20 destroyed, 16 disabled

Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 19,000 yards
Japanese open fire on surprised Allied ships at 19,000 y

Another round...

Could have been a real bad day...

Need to run supplies in, I have another AMC with supplies at Nauru...perhaps they can dash in and out. Need to check my offloading rates...

This went well...task forces cover by LRCAP...no Japanese interference and only one TF spotted. I should have left many more ships at Madras...xap and xak but I evacuated almost everything early in the war.

there are quite a few ASW patrolling task forces here, including a super strong 3 ship KV force well led. They have hedgehogs, which are incredibly accurate but I have yet to see them fire.

Lowpe wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:50 am

RangerJoe wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:18 pm So the question is, when I changed that air units aircraft when it should not be possible, should that be reported as a "bug" or just accept it as a "feature" and let it go at that?

Did you check with perm removed squadrons?

No or at least, not yet. To do this on December 7th, there aren't that many air units yet on the map plus one exchange takes all 100 PP so I have to reload the game each time. At that point I had other things to get done.

RangerJoe wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:35 pm

Lowpe wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:50 am

RangerJoe wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:18 pm So the question is, when I changed that air units aircraft when it should not be possible, should that be reported as a "bug" or just accept it as a "feature" and let it go at that?

Did you check with perm removed squadrons?

No or at least, not yet. To do this on December 7th, there aren't that many air units yet on the map plus one exchange takes all 100 PP so I have to reload the game each time. At that point I had other things to get done.

Check out the late war scenario? Nevermind, no withdraws.

Here is another squadron that can't upgrade even though it is base on east coast:

March 18, 1943


I thought about a sortie here at Wewak....but I knew Yamato and her sis were in the area without having fired a shot...and the KB was probably lurking 5 hexes away from Wewak...so I held off other than vectoring in some more subs. Surely Wewak must be a big trap...and I am not bothered by a single counter invasion.

Meanwhile the Deathstar is headed back to Pearl for the Marianas invasion...

I have 2 squadrons of Corsairs and 1 P38, they are rotating sweeps of Rabaul, rest 2 days sweep one day. I want to get more LRCAP over Japanese bases from 2 hexes away or closer....Also going to use my Airacobras at 15K 90% CAP in an attempt to shoot down flying boats doing naval search...

All the while our troops keep moving forward, Torokina (5 hexes from Rabaul) now has 600 engineers...

Our Marine Recon squadron...