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Lobster wrote: Tue Sep 30, 2025 11:16 am Seems to me these special units should be able to ignore zones of control while exerting none of their own.

Curtis Lemay wrote: Mon Oct 13, 2025 8:23 pm I've been stuck on this problem for a while: I found that the last version I posted couldn't read most older files. (Shown as bug #13 below). I've now got this fixed so that it can. Now I can finally get back to the legacy bugs.

Moral: Making scenario files backwards compatible is a real pain!

joey wrote: Mon Oct 13, 2025 10:46 pm

Curtis Lemay wrote: Mon Oct 13, 2025 8:23 pm I've been stuck on this problem for a while: I found that the last version I posted couldn't read most older files. (Shown as bug #13 below). I've now got this fixed so that it can. Now I can finally get back to the legacy bugs.

Moral: Making scenario files backwards compatible is a real pain!

I would keep number 13 bug handy, as it may show up again, as you continue to fix bugs.

Ratbag55 wrote: Wed Oct 22, 2025 3:31 pm Apologies if this has been covered.

Will we be able to control 'subordinate' units with events while they are internalised to their superior?
For example, could an HQ unit have let's say 3 internalised subordinate units with one of them entering through event activation while the other two subordinate units are present att scenario start.

Thanks

Curtis Lemay wrote: Wed Oct 22, 2025 3:52 pm

Ratbag55 wrote: Wed Oct 22, 2025 3:31 pm Apologies if this has been covered.

Will we be able to control 'subordinate' units with events while they are internalised to their superior?
For example, could an HQ unit have let's say 3 internalised subordinate units with one of them entering through event activation while the other two subordinate units are present att scenario start.

Thanks

That's probably an issue. Withdrawn subordinates may remain as subordinates. They may then be both "there" and "not there" at the same time with unknown consequences.

So I need to make sure that any subordinate unit that is withdrawn is first detached from its superior unit. I'll put that on the "to do" list.

Now, the other direction is up to the designer to address. When you build the unit, the subordinates have to be on the map. If the superior is on the map they are all assumed to be present. If you want one of them to arrive as a reinforcement, you put it into the superior then detach it (that creates a slot for the unit to use when it arrives). Once detached, then remove it from the map and set its arrival turn. Upon arrival in the game, the player will have to make the subordinate attachment manually. The PO will be out of luck. There are no event effects to attach or detach subordinates and they would be too complex to implement in my judgement.

Ratbag55 wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:51 am

Curtis Lemay wrote: Wed Oct 22, 2025 3:52 pm

Ratbag55 wrote: Wed Oct 22, 2025 3:31 pm Apologies if this has been covered.

Will we be able to control 'subordinate' units with events while they are internalised to their superior?
For example, could an HQ unit have let's say 3 internalised subordinate units with one of them entering through event activation while the other two subordinate units are present att scenario start.

Thanks

That's probably an issue. Withdrawn subordinates may remain as subordinates. They may then be both "there" and "not there" at the same time with unknown consequences.

So I need to make sure that any subordinate unit that is withdrawn is first detached from its superior unit. I'll put that on the "to do" list.

Now, the other direction is up to the designer to address. When you build the unit, the subordinates have to be on the map. If the superior is on the map they are all assumed to be present. If you want one of them to arrive as a reinforcement, you put it into the superior then detach it (that creates a slot for the unit to use when it arrives). Once detached, then remove it from the map and set its arrival turn. Upon arrival in the game, the player will have to make the subordinate attachment manually. The PO will be out of luck. There are no event effects to attach or detach subordinates and they would be too complex to implement in my judgement.

Thanks for clarifying - so I understand fully: if I create a subordinate that enters through sn event later in the game (as described above) will it have to be adjecent to its superior unit in order for it to be re-integrated? Or can it be re-integrated once it enters on the map, through "teleportation"? I am thinking of cases where a brigade has 4 manouver battalions, three of them active and one of them mobilized later through event. It the unit/superior unit has moved a far distande, possibly even by rail or shipping, does the subordinate have to move to its superior unit in order to re-integrate?

Lobster wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 10:13 pm Why does a unit have to be in the exact same place as the superior unit it's going to become part of? Divisions were attached to armies hundreds of miles away and then sent there.

Curtis Lemay wrote: Wed Oct 22, 2025 3:52 pm That's probably an issue. Withdrawn subordinates may remain as subordinates. They may then be both "there" and "not there" at the same time with unknown consequences.

So I need to make sure that any subordinate unit that is withdrawn is first detached from its superior unit. I'll put that on the "to do" list.