Marsh Attack Penalty?
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 1:17 am
Is there some kind of attack penalty when in a marsh hex?
Only in the sense that the unit normally has lower supply, and is therefore less effective.
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RE: Marsh Attack Penalty?
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:54 am
RE: Marsh Attack Penalty?
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 8:33 am
Really? I also seem to get significantly worse odds for units attacking out of a marsh hex, even if the unit has decent supply and readiness. The effect seems to be roughly comparably to attacking across a river.
RE: Marsh Attack Penalty?
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 2:18 pm
Yeah I've noticed what seems to be something like 1/3 to 1/2 penalty when attacking out of a marsh compared to a unit in any other hexes with about the same supply/morale/readiness.
RE: Marsh Attack Penalty?
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 8:26 pm
I have noticed this too, in all iterations of SC.
RE: Marsh Attack Penalty?
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 8:43 pm
Yes..I have notice 'more' of this effect while attacking out of marshes also..in both SC-WaW and SC-WW1. It seems there's more than just the 'supply' effect going on here.
Hence,I tend to avoid attacking out of swamps because of this.
Hence,I tend to avoid attacking out of swamps because of this.
RE: Marsh Attack Penalty?
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:15 pm
Yeah I agree. I have noticed strange marsh attack or defense behavior that I am not sure how to explain from defense bonus or supply values alone.
RE: Marsh Attack Penalty?
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:18 pm
Ditto here. I recently looked up the terrain effects in the Editor and could not see what was causing my attacks from marsh hexes to have such poor results.
RE: Marsh Attack Penalty?
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:54 pm
Seems there's quite a few of us that have noticed this. I would hazard to say that it seemed to make sense [to me] in some regards that attacking 'out' of a swamp would have some detrimental effect...but currently..[and for as long as I can remember], attacking out of a swamp has pretty notable penalty.
RE: Marsh Attack Penalty?
Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:18 am
You are right, I've spoken to Hubert and there is a section in the code that means that a terrain type with a negative defense bonus (which applies to marshes) means that attacking out of the marsh is also penalised.
The penalty is that the defenders' losses are halved, so attacking from the marsh is not normally a wise thing to do.
I'll have a think about how to get this into the next Manual update.
The penalty is that the defenders' losses are halved, so attacking from the marsh is not normally a wise thing to do.
I'll have a think about how to get this into the next Manual update.
RE: Marsh Attack Penalty?
Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 12:57 pm
Thanks for the follow up and confirmation of the penalty. So is marsh the only terrain type that impacts then? Also would be great to not only update the manual but have it appear in the properties screen for terrain in game.
RE: Marsh Attack Penalty?
Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:03 pm
Ahhh..that explains things! Thank you. Yeah, marshes are probably not the most ideal places from which to conduct an attack. [:D]ORIGINAL: BillRunacre
You are right, I've spoken to Hubert and there is a section in the code that means that a terrain type with a negative defense bonus (which applies to marshes) means that attacking out of the marsh is also penalised.
The penalty is that the defenders' losses are halved, so attacking from the marsh is not normally a wise thing to do.
I'll have a think about how to get this into the next Manual update.
RE: Marsh Attack Penalty?
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:59 am
ORIGINAL: redrum68
Thanks for the follow up and confirmation of the penalty. So is marsh the only terrain type that impacts then? Also would be great to not only update the manual but have it appear in the properties screen for terrain in game.
The only other is that ships attacking out of ports suffer a similar penalty.
This is in the official campaigns, it could be possible in a mod to increase the range of terrain types affected.
RE: Marsh Attack Penalty?
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:48 am
We should get paid for finding these bugs/quirks [:D]
RE: Marsh Attack Penalty?
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:12 am
ORIGINAL: Chernobyl
We should get paid for finding these bugs/quirks [:D]
We get credits in the patch notes! Know of any other company that does that? Not me!
RE: Marsh Attack Penalty?
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:37 pm
ORIGINAL: BillRunacre
ORIGINAL: redrum68
Thanks for the follow up and confirmation of the penalty. So is marsh the only terrain type that impacts then? Also would be great to not only update the manual but have it appear in the properties screen for terrain in game.
The only other is that ships attacking out of ports suffer a similar penalty.
This is in the official campaigns, it could be possible in a mod to increase the range of terrain types affected.
Ah ok. Thanks for the clarification!