Russian Mil 24 shot down
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 9:56 pm
Have you seen that video. It happened so fast.
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bunkerhill wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 3:59 am Actually, I'm curious if the event has lessons we can learn or apply to strategy games and the games that help with the study of military history. Any tactics or analysis that we can use?
Something about Russian units running out of fuel and abandoning vehicles on the roads BEFORE contact with Ukraine military. No guarantee on reliability of the information.OldSarge wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:35 pmbunkerhill wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 3:59 am Actually, I'm curious if the event has lessons we can learn or apply to strategy games and the games that help with the study of military history. Any tactics or analysis that we can use?
The big lesson, the only lesson that matters here, is that logistics and a secured LOC are important.
Oh yes, the FOW is firmly in place and anything seen from an unvetted source should be regarded with healthy skepticism. That being said, there are a large number of photos showing the remains of burnt out supply and tanker trucks that suggests the UKA Fabian strategy of avoiding set piece battles and preferring attacks on supply lines is largely working.Kuokkanen wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:17 pmSomething about Russian units running out of fuel and abandoning vehicles on the roads BEFORE contact with Ukraine military. No guarantee on reliability of the information.OldSarge wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:35 pmbunkerhill wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 3:59 am Actually, I'm curious if the event has lessons we can learn or apply to strategy games and the games that help with the study of military history. Any tactics or analysis that we can use?
The big lesson, the only lesson that matters here, is that logistics and a secured LOC are important.
There is not much to discuss because the war is so new.OldSarge wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:41 pmOh yes, the FOW is firmly in place and anything seen from an unvetted source should be regarded with healthy skepticism. That being said, there are a large number of photos showing the remains of burnt out supply and tanker trucks that suggests the UKA Fabian strategy of avoiding set piece battles and preferring attacks on supply lines is largely working.Kuokkanen wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:17 pmSomething about Russian units running out of fuel and abandoning vehicles on the roads BEFORE contact with Ukraine military. No guarantee on reliability of the information.OldSarge wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:35 pm
The big lesson, the only lesson that matters here, is that logistics and a secured LOC are important.
The first thing *every* wargamer has thought, no doubt. Is the pic below relevant?OldSarge wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:12 pm An interesting question begging for an answer is: Why did the Russian army, an army that knows Field Marshall Mud, commence an offensive during the rasputitsa season?
Oh, I do understand they have paved roads, but those roads are separated by lots of marshy fields. Unfriendly to both tracked and wheeled vehicle. There isn't much opportunity for cross country travel. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/ ... bile_arty/TulliusDetritus wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:53 pmThe first thing *every* wargamer has thought, no doubt. Is the pic below relevant?OldSarge wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:12 pm An interesting question begging for an answer is: Why did the Russian army, an army that knows Field Marshall Mud, commence an offensive during the rasputitsa season?
Watched some Arch's videos about that. Something about Ukraine buying Turkish drones and using those to raid the columns. Arch highlighted SAM vehicles, but I guess fuel tankers are also priority targets.OldSarge wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:41 pm That being said, there are a large number of photos showing the remains of burnt out supply and tanker trucks that suggests the UKA Fabian strategy of avoiding set piece battles and preferring attacks on supply lines is largely working.
Is it that season already down there? If so, then Russians are just as stuck on the roads as they were in Finland in winter of 1939-1940, if for different reason (snow vs mud). Considering that + claim about artillery fire over the border and some of the politics, it looks to me that Russians got another Winter War on their hands.OldSarge wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:16 pmOh, I do understand they have paved roads, but those roads are separated by lots of marshy fields. Unfriendly to both tracked and wheeled vehicle. There isn't much opportunity for cross country travel. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/ ... bile_arty/TulliusDetritus wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:53 pmThe first thing *every* wargamer has thought, no doubt. Is the pic below relevant?OldSarge wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:12 pm An interesting question begging for an answer is: Why did the Russian army, an army that knows Field Marshall Mud, commence an offensive during the rasputitsa season?
So once you've committed your mobile force down a road, they're locked to that road, there is no turning around and it becomes something like a Market Garden situation where you're stuck on one road that has many potential bottlenecks and choke points and associated traffic snarls. A tac=air pilot's dream come true.
More would be welcome.