Russian Mil 24 shot down

[westminster]

Have you seen that video. It happened so fast.

[BBfanboy]

This is not material for a Wargaming forum. It is current events and has political implications. Please find a new forum to draw attention to things that interest you.

[westminster]

So no war stuff, to be posted on a wargame forum. Okay then

[bunkerhill]

Actually, I'm curious if the event has lessons we can learn or apply to strategy games and the games that help with the study of military history. Any tactics or analysis that we can use?

[Erik Rutins]

This hasn't strayed into politics (yet) but it easily could. I'd like to think we could focus purely on the military strategic/operational/tactical analysis, but past experience has suggested that such discussions when dealing with current events always end up becoming political. Keep the forum rules in mind, as soon as this crosses that line it will be locked.

[Kuokkanen]

I say it'd be interesting to see some scenarios made about the conflict thus far. WinSPMBT, TOAW series, and what else? While "fog of war" and propaganda don't help much with the details, scenario designers should still have something to work with. Even if reported events have details wrong or are totally bunk, scenarios can be updated after the fact or left as is as "what if" scenarios. Anyone working with it by now, and on what games?

[OldSarge]

Actually, I'm curious if the event has lessons we can learn or apply to strategy games and the games that help with the study of military history. Any tactics or analysis that we can use?

The big lesson, the only lesson that matters here, is that logistics and a secured LOC are important.

[Kuokkanen]

Actually, I'm curious if the event has lessons we can learn or apply to strategy games and the games that help with the study of military history. Any tactics or analysis that we can use?

The big lesson, the only lesson that matters here, is that logistics and a secured LOC are important.

Something about Russian units running out of fuel and abandoning vehicles on the roads BEFORE contact with Ukraine military. No guarantee on reliability of the information.

[OldSarge]

Actually, I'm curious if the event has lessons we can learn or apply to strategy games and the games that help with the study of military history. Any tactics or analysis that we can use?

The big lesson, the only lesson that matters here, is that logistics and a secured LOC are important.

Something about Russian units running out of fuel and abandoning vehicles on the roads BEFORE contact with Ukraine military. No guarantee on reliability of the information.

Oh yes, the FOW is firmly in place and anything seen from an unvetted source should be regarded with healthy skepticism. That being said, there are a large number of photos showing the remains of burnt out supply and tanker trucks that suggests the UKA Fabian strategy of avoiding set piece battles and preferring attacks on supply lines is largely working.

[Trugrit]

The big lesson, the only lesson that matters here, is that logistics and a secured LOC are important.

Something about Russian units running out of fuel and abandoning vehicles on the roads BEFORE contact with Ukraine military. No guarantee on reliability of the information.

Oh yes, the FOW is firmly in place and anything seen from an unvetted source should be regarded with healthy skepticism. That being said, there are a large number of photos showing the remains of burnt out supply and tanker trucks that suggests the UKA Fabian strategy of avoiding set piece battles and preferring attacks on supply lines is largely working.

There is not much to discuss because the war is so new.
The BattleSwarm Blog has a good video on Russian logistics which is worth watching.

The video is non-political:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4wRdoWpw0w

Almost 4 million views and almost 11 thousand comments.

[Zovs]

Part of this resembles history repeating itself with regards to the Russians running out of fuel in 2022 and the Soviets running out of fuel during June 22-26th 1941. Boiling down to improper logistics planning.

[OldSarge]

An interesting question begging for an answer is: Why did the Russian army, an army that knows Field Marshall Mud, commence an offensive during the rasputitsa season? I've seen photos of a variety of vehicles totally bogged down in the mud.

[TulliusDetritus]

An interesting question begging for an answer is: Why did the Russian army, an army that knows Field Marshall Mud, commence an offensive during the rasputitsa season?

The first thing *every* wargamer has thought, no doubt. Is the pic below relevant?

[OldSarge]

An interesting question begging for an answer is: Why did the Russian army, an army that knows Field Marshall Mud, commence an offensive during the rasputitsa season?

The first thing *every* wargamer has thought, no doubt. Is the pic below relevant?

Oh, I do understand they have paved roads, but those roads are separated by lots of marshy fields. Unfriendly to both tracked and wheeled vehicle. There isn't much opportunity for cross country travel. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/ ... bile_arty/

So once you've committed your mobile force down a road, they're locked to that road, there is no turning around and it becomes something like a Market Garden situation where you're stuck on one road that has many potential bottlenecks and choke points and associated traffic snarls. A tac=air pilot's dream come true.

[rico21]

https://censor.net/en/resonance/3056375 ... raine_army

[Kuokkanen]

That being said, there are a large number of photos showing the remains of burnt out supply and tanker trucks that suggests the UKA Fabian strategy of avoiding set piece battles and preferring attacks on supply lines is largely working.

Watched some Arch's videos about that. Something about Ukraine buying Turkish drones and using those to raid the columns. Arch highlighted SAM vehicles, but I guess fuel tankers are also priority targets.

An interesting question begging for an answer is: Why did the Russian army, an army that knows Field Marshall Mud, commence an offensive during the rasputitsa season?

The first thing *every* wargamer has thought, no doubt. Is the pic below relevant?

Oh, I do understand they have paved roads, but those roads are separated by lots of marshy fields. Unfriendly to both tracked and wheeled vehicle. There isn't much opportunity for cross country travel. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/ ... bile_arty/

So once you've committed your mobile force down a road, they're locked to that road, there is no turning around and it becomes something like a Market Garden situation where you're stuck on one road that has many potential bottlenecks and choke points and associated traffic snarls. A tac=air pilot's dream come true.

Is it that season already down there? If so, then Russians are just as stuck on the roads as they were in Finland in winter of 1939-1940, if for different reason (snow vs mud). Considering that + claim about artillery fire over the border and some of the politics, it looks to me that Russians got another Winter War on their hands.

[Trugrit]

Quillette has a very good Podcast on the Strategic Analysis:
https://quillette.com/2022/03/09/podcas ... -analysis/
About 30 Minutes

It has a map that can be zoomed.

About 30 min. in Sean Maloney tells what he knows about what is going on at a detail level.
Behind the lines stuff. The “Snatch Teams” etc…

Who is Sean M. Maloney:
https://www.queensu.ca/cidp/people-sear ... -m-maloney

One thing that he is very right about is that we are moving into
an area that we have never been before concerning nuclear weapons.

[gamer78]

It can be Winter War or just like pkk situation Turkey face. It can be dozens of years fighting against separatist militia. Ukraine not Syria has the population and quite a big country. Big economic and tourism loss for neighbours.

[IslandInland]

Have you seen that video. It happened so fast.

More would be welcome.

[Nikel]

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https://www.youtube.com/c/WarLeaker/videos


Different videos (unknown to me) in this channel:

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