Problems trying to purchase from you - fed up

[Charles2222]

ORIGINAL: Dave Briggs

ORIGINAL: ravinhood


I don't mind ordering a tangible product that much from online. But, online downloading of a product that's another thing. It would be fine if the company could guarantee you it would be in business forever and that you would never lose your product or the ability to redownload it forever,.....

But Matrix does offer a quarantee. I got mine about 10 days after downloading the game I ordered. It's called a CD hard copy of the game. Sure I paid an extra ten bucks for it but I don't have to worry about ever downloading it again. Not trying to be a Matrix fanboy but it's not a big problem. You guys are crying a river about Digital River.

But I forget myself ravinhood....ten bucks to you is like a hundred bucks to the rest of us.[;)]

Let's see if I understoof you. You said that you DD'd right away and thus were able to play immediately and on that same order opted to pay $10 more to get a physical copy? I just want to make sure you can do that, which would make me a whole lot less hesitant to order. I hate just getting a DD, and I hate waiting for the physical copy, if those are my only choices. Should you opt for the DD -and- the physical copy for $10 more, you get a box, a cd, and a manual, correct?

[Brigz]

ORIGINAL: Charles_22

Let's see if I understoof you. You said that you DD'd right away and thus were able to play immediately and on that same order opted to pay $10 more to get a physical copy? I just want to make sure you can do that, which would make me a whole lot less hesitant to order. I hate just getting a DD, and I hate waiting for the physical copy, if those are my only choices. Should you opt for the DD -and- the physical copy for $10 more, you get a box, a cd, and a manual, correct?

Yes. Absolutely. I recently bought Carriers at War. You can DD it and get it right away with no CD or printed rules for $49.95. You can opt to order it DD and Hard Copy for $59.95. You would then get to download the game and play it right away and you will be sent a Box with CD and a printed rules book about one or two weeks later. That's what I got. Just go to the store and see what they are offering. You can check the prices there.

[JudgeDredd]

The only slight issue is the DD+Physical option doesn't become available as soon as the DD option is...and that's because, I think, a company is not allowed to sell a product they do not physically have...so they need a burned master etc before they can provide the option to sell it.

Normally the DD+Physical sale option is available the same day...normally

[JudgeDredd]

That's exactly what I do...I wait for the DD+Physical option to become available and then I buy...but only if I want a printed manual for the game (normally my preferred option)

[ravinhood]

But, what you don't understand Judge, if the product was in a brick n mortar store I would buy them more often. I'm not going to support what I don't like or agree with period. Plus they haven't made printed manuals for the games I am interested in yet. When they do that and christmas rolls around I intend to buy some games then, but, thru NWS who will match their christmas prices and I'll get the Hard copies of them with printed manuals for $10 less than buying thru them.

BTW I recently picked up "Medieval 2 Total War" off ebay for $16

Now, while you have money to toss into the wind, I prefer the be a more thriftful shopper and save as much as possible. We've had these conversations many times and it's not going to change who and what and the way I am about purchasing GAMES. Games are not a necessity for MY LIFE, they might be for you, but, they certainly aren't for me. Plus as said before when a person like RON DOCKAL can put out some great games and still hold a regular job then there's always going to be someone to pick up the torch when another goes out of business. SSI went by the wayside, did computer wargames stop getting made? NO. Microprose went by the wayside, did your 3D action oriented wargames go by the wayside? NO. 3DO is gone, did fantasy strategy games go by the wayside? NO!. There will always be someone to pick up the torch when one of them goes down or out of business. Gary Grigsby used to be with SSI, look who he's with now and if Matrixgames should fall he would advertise his talent to another publisher, it's not the end of the world for anyone for people like me to seek bargain prices for GAMES. You're just jealous because you can't control your spending like I can and you have no patience like I do. haha But, I do thank you for supporting my hobby while you support your addiction and habit. lol We all were there once, I was the same way in my early years of life and computer gaming. But, I grew up and got older and with age comes wisdom and with wisdom is the ability to stop the addiction and habit and become a more patient person in life.

[JudgeDredd]

...then there's always going to be someone to pick up the torch when another goes out of business

Nuff said.

I think that explains your attitude totally...in that wee snippet, it completely sums you up. Out of all the posts you've made, that sums you up
100%.

I happen to care what happens to people who try to provide something for me to enjoy. I think that whilst it may just be a business to them, they work hard to produce something for me to have a good time with. It gives me no pleasure in knowing that a company (one man band or otherwise) goes out of business. I don't mind paying full price for a game that's good. If a game "isn't really my thing", I may pick it up on bargain bin....maybe.

My point stands and yours is lame, ravinhood. If every one of us waited for bargain bin games, we'd be playing console games. So I accept your gratification, however it was presented, for keeping you in the hobby you so enjoy.

Couple of things before I sign off though...
[ol][*]Don't make assumptions about who I am...you have no idea[*]I am not trying to change the way you shop...I'm just explaining the bleeding obvious[/ol]You keep telling people how old and wise you are in all these useless posts...how come, if really are that wise you constantly paint yourself as a complete knobhead with these arrogant, self centered, egotistical posts?

And, on a final note....stop being an arsehole. I'm not telling you for my benefit....

[JonBrave]

I'm the original poster here....
 
Sorry, I did not get the emails when people replied, so I didn't come back here, thinking nothing was happening. Thank you to all posters here, especially Erik Rutins, had I needed him.
 
The good news is, at the moment, DigitalRiver seem to have accepted my latest attempt.  It'll be interesting to see whether anything arrives.....
 
The bad news is, it took me, oohh, say 10 attempts across a week; hours of retyping.  The final one I typed in same stuff as first attempt, which DR "cancelled" *after* they had accepted it and successfully placed charge request against my card, and never gave an explanation for. (To those who said it must be my fault......)  Half a dozen emails at least exchanged with DR. Not one helpful reply by them, every time just a fixed set answer template, no matter what question I tried asking them.
 
I'm sure the details are boring.  Matrix Games is fine, Digital River stinks so far as I am concerned.  Might be good for US corporate purchases, certainly not for non-US non-corporate: the form you have to fill in doesn't even make any sense if you're a non-US home user.  And, yes, I did use the UK "portal".  If I have any choice, I would never purchase anything via them again.
 
Thanks for all your concern.

[ravinhood]

Lol Judge is all flustered up again. Wonder how that happened.

[Zap]

I happen to care what happens to people who try to provide something for me to enjoy. I think that whilst it may just be a business to them, they work hard to produce something for me to have a good time with. It gives me no pleasure in knowing that a company (one man band or otherwise) goes out of business. I don't mind paying full price for a game that's good. If a game "isn't really my thing", I may pick it up on bargain bin....maybe. JudgeDredd

Yes, and if the company has decent goals set(like Matrix) I find it good for me to support them. Yes, Even if they don't always meet my standards with every game they distribute. I'll buy the ones that interest me.

Actually, having a company like Matrix grow in revenue should allow good quality games to continue to be produced. I see little or no good come from

Ravinhoods view, quote "then there's always going to be someone to pick up the torch when another goes out of business" .

What the wargaming industry needs right now is some stability to allow for game development.

[Charles2222]

Thanks. This in some ways is better than buying at the store, because you don't even have to leave the house, assuming the postman will stuff it in the mailbox (if it's USPS) not get told that the copies sold out when you get to a store. I believe ravinhood spoke of a return policy, but I don't know where he got that from, becuase that policy no longer exists in Dallas anyway. I think that has been out since '95.

BTW, is there tax? If not, just one more reason it's better than the store. When you consider you can't get wargames pretty much at the store, then paying that $10 is a really good deal.

[Charles2222]

On the issue of whether buying discount wargames is wise or not, I have this sidelight to offer. There was a day when wargames were easy to find at the stores, as we all know, but one day that stopped happening. I would like to think that if their discount wargames had sold better at that critical period, they might had been more inclined to sign up for the new ones coming out. The purpose of me saying that is that irrespective of who gets the money, if the product didn't sell too well when it was new, they would stop stocking it or discount it. If it doesn't sell when discounted that's one more reason not to have those sort of new games anymore, so I cannot conclude that buying discount is some sort of great dent in wargaming, especially because when any I ever bought discount at a store, it makes sense that they didn't have it around for a higher price also, and why would I buy the higher price if they did? Now I can certainly understand that buying these things from EBay does nobody but the user any good, but sometimes that is the only way to get it. So the key thing here is to look beyond to most immediate result we consider, and then consider that there are also secondary reasons why being all one way or the other as a matter of course can be pretty foolish. 

The developer may not get anything out of discount, but to refuse to buy discount because of that is just being too one-sided. There's a good number of people, especially waragamers, who may not keep up on all of the current games. If you go into a store and see WIR2 discount, are you going to pass it because somehow it got past you when it was new and now it's only available discount? To refuse to buy it in those circumstances, just to be a purist, in this limited example, leaves you being less a wargame supporter, rather than more. Oh, I know, a true wargame supporter would never be uninformed of what was out and bought it new. That may be true, but some, maybe even most, even of wargamers, have been known for titles to have somehow slipped them by until it was discount. If a gamestore is experimenting with putting a wargame on the shelf and it doesn't sell, it could go to discount pretty quickly. If it does, and it doesn't get bought even then, what are the odds they will decide to try another wargame title? Something to think about.

Some years back I predicted this renewal in wargaming (though not at stores for the most part) and most thought I was dumb doing so. And yet it was so blatantly obvious. The same theme that rang true then, rings true now, and likely always will. The matter is curiousity, be that of the store owners or the game buying public. They get tired of the same thing over and over, and if your genre is going through something of a downspin, then it's climbing back can't be too far away. Just about every game genre the same thing could be said for. There's just too much of interest in any genre, without that genre becoming something more prominent in buyer's minds again. It is for that same reason that wargaming will go through another glut pretty soon it would seem. Probably no more thna 5 years away; probably less.  

[JudgeDredd]

I don't know about other regions, but UK have to pay VAT (our tax) of 17.5%...

[JudgeDredd]

I expect your point was generalised rather than directed at me, but being as it was in posted in reaction to the current topic I posted, I feel I could mention a couple of things here. So whilst I'll take your points and answer them, it goes without saying that I don't suggest you made the comments specifically at me...

I wasn't painting myself to be a wargame supporter...I am not. I am a computer game enthusiast. I will try and buy any games I think take my fancy. I've bought plenty of donkeys in my time, and that does make me more cautious about what I by...but I still buy a game if

• I hear good things about it OR
• I like the subject OR
• I've read good reviews (plural) or
• I've played the demo

or any combination of the above. To use ravinhood as an example, he wants to suggest I buy games just for the sake of it...I believe his exact terms to deride me were "...you can't control your spending..." and "...while you support your addiction and habit..." but as usual he's talking out his arse. Quite clearly, from the criteria I've specified above, I am more choosey about the games I buy than he suggests. He rarely posts anything of benefit for anyone anyway.

Also, I wasn't suggesting that people stop buying budget. In fact I did say that I have bought budget in the past. In particular if it''s a game that I may not normally have bought but think "What the hell".

Again, to use ravinhood as an example (he lends himself so well to being used as such) he uses these forums constantly to deride and abuse companies, developers and other members. I can't remember the last time he posted anything good about Matrix Games. The point is, and I'm usre he'll come back and confirm or otherwise, he has very little nice things to say about Matrix Games and yet uses these boards to hurl his abuse...and the icing on the cake is he doesn't own a single, full priced Matrix Game...not one.

Even in his penultimate post on this thread he suggests when Matrix Games supply manuals with there back catalogue, he'll buy them from NWS.

I might start a petition to try and get NWS to start a forum so he can piss the hell off out of here and go post shite there.

[JudgeDredd]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

Lol Judge is all flustered up again. Wonder how that happened.

lmfao...u are so far up your own arse, ravinhood...do you actually know when night and day change over?

Please, feel free to feel nice and big and manly when I reply to your posts. If it completes your life to think that your posts affect me then you can carry that flag. I won't stop you.

But understand this...you do not get me mad or flustered, of that I can give you a cast iron guarentee.

[ravinhood]

 

Just read your own posts Judge, read your childish responses. You can't help yourself but be contempuous. Then you say I'm not affecting you at all. Do you see anyone else acting the way you do? People whom I've come in contact with here over the years know my character and personality and accept it. But, I don't or need to resort to childishness as you do with derogatives or using you for an example (mainly because you don't make a good example of anything except contempt).

The first thing you've gotta learn Judge is this isn't YOUR SITE, it isn't YOUR FORUM nothing of it belongs to you. Yet, you come across as some kind of dictator or protector or Matrixgames. You have that dictorial type of attitude about you as if your stuff don't stink and anyone who doesn't agree with you is the enemy. lol Especially me. Well, lemme tell yah Matrixgames doesn't need you for protection. I've been here almost 4 years now, you don't see them acting like you now do you? But, I respect Erik's and David and Marc's wishes when they do say something to me and in all likelyhood they will repond after this post because YOU are driving it offtopic and it's not helping the OP one bit to snort contempt at me or me you. You don't even respect the rules of the forum.

Plus the 2nd thing you need to learn and OBEY are the forum rules. Attacking other members I believe is a violation of the rules. Saying one doesn't like some or even all of Matrixgames is not a violation. Saying their prices are too high is not a violation. What you clearly do is a violation. But, I'll leave that to Erik or David or Marc to decide, afterall it is THEIR FORUM and if they want to allow you to violate the rules well that's their choice not mine. I'm just reminding them of it. Unlike you who would dictate it if you could. lol

Growup Judge, get a clue, everything in the world doesn't revolve around you. All things you have said about me except for prices and the way I feel about some of Matrixgames you best look in the mirror and ask yourself...am I not arrogant? Do I not stand up for my beliefs also? Do I not think my opinion is better than someone else's especially Ravinhoods? Why do I allow Ravinhood to get under my skin? What is it about him that draws me to him to respond to him like a magnet? Am I inlove with him and just don't know it? lol roflmao Why can't I press that little green button by his online name and be done with him? I guess it's because: I'm caught in a trap, I can't walk out, because I love him too much baaaieeebee hahahahaha

Now to Erik and David and Marc I will end this conversation with Judge once again, because it is not doing anything for this thread. I do wish you would curb him on his attacking of my character and anyone else. I talk about games, and things related to the games. I try not to talk about anyone else unless I am attacked first as you can go back and read judges two posts where I am included. Afterall it was he who said he would "never" post here again and then has come back to do so. But, it seems his only reason is so he can take stabs at me. We shouldn't be taking stabs at one another, we should keep the conversations about the thread topic at hand, not about how other posters respond. Thank you.

[JudgeDredd]

by ravinhood
Lol ravinhood is all flustered up again. Wonder how that happened.

I didn't think that would ever come in handy...especially on the same thread!

Bearing in mind the questions asked by the OP

by JonBrave
Has anyone else had trouble with on-line ordering?

Is DigitalRiver a "part" of Matrix Games, or just a not very good/helpful out-sourced vendor?

Does anyone at Matrix Games care, and/or would like to help me spend my money with them?

Your first post here was helpful to whom and in what way?

Everytime I read one of these I get to smile really big Cause yah all know how I feel about online purchasing and downloading. But, I do hope your problem gets solved (and most likely it will when Erik sees this). Even though it makes me smile when I see online purchasing difficulties I hate it.

and your second post?...helpful to and in what way?

Statistics say something is going to go wrong I don't care how good the service is. I can't get some games to play on my system that others can get to play on theiirs. It's just our murphy's law time. The OP got zapped, but, I'm pretty sure Erik will take care of it it's just going to take time. If only we could live in a perfect world where everything worked perfectly, but, alas we don't so, it's best to remain calm, give Eric et al time to read your issue and I'm sure it will get resolved in time.

and again...third post?

Woohoo a coverted soul, we love yah man. Now be sure and tell all your friends to follow suit and for them to tell all their friends and so on an so forth and maybe we can nip this online selling of downloadable products in the bud before it gets out of hand.
I don't mind ordering a tangible product that much from online. But, online downloading of a product that's another thing. It would be fine if the company could guarantee you it would be in business forever and that you would never lose your product or the ability to redownload it forever, but, they can't do that and they can promise the moon that they will give everyone some code that allows them to be able to do it forever, but, well, companies are in buisness to sell and they will tell you anything to make a sale. I know I was in the retail industry and I know what they told us. It's not that you outright lie to the customer, you just don't tell them the "WHOLE" truth. lol

These were helpful to whom and in what way exactly? Please could you be specific, because my childlike brain isn't grabbing the meat of your helpful topics.

My first post was a retorte to your posts. I then went back on topic...I think if you were to read your posts again, you'd find that they may be construed very, very very loosely as being on topic.....nah...now I'm the one talking nuts. Must be catching.

Don't come on here ravinhood calling for mods to do something about a thread you never intended to keep on topic. You do your fair share of taking things off topic and, in general, that's on your first post.

Just shouting your mouth off as normal.

Afterall it was he who said he would "never" post here again and then has come back to do so. But, it seems his only reason is so he can take stabs at me.

I think not. Once again, your showing your self-obsessed delusions of gandeur. I came back because I buy the games that Matrix supply and then I wish to talk about them to other people, either interested in buying them or who have bought them...and there you are...no matter what game it is, you come in stomping all over it...and the best part is...you don't even have it

If I really, really was coming back to chase you down, why don't I haunt you? Why don't I ridicule every one of your posts. There are plenty of posts that you've started that I've stayed out of because, well, they are your topics and your are actually talking about something that either doesn't interest me or I have nothing of value to add....like
AWARD OF DEDICATION SHOULD GO TO...
and
For Those DoIt YourSelfers out there.
or here
Dominions III
And there are many many more. So pop along to your doctor and get a prescription for something to help with your ego....it needs damping down a bit.


one other thing...whilst shouting at the mods to come and do something about someone picking on you...don't post shit like this

Lol Judge is all flustered up again. Wonder how that happened.

because I think you'll find they will say "He brought it on himself"
There was another post recently where you were deliberately mispronouncing someones nick to get their back up and when it did get their back up, you proceded to laugh at how people on these forums take things seriously...I am not the only person you try to gaud and I will not be the last. Nor am I the only person who has to take things off topic just to smack your sorry little arse.

So, I will make this promise to you ravinhood...I will leave your sorry little self obsessed arse alone if...and only if you only post in the forums to which you own the games or you are genuinely looking to buy said game....which basically means sticking to the General Discussion forum.

Bye bye ravinhood...no hard feelings[:'(]

[Charles2222]

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

I expect your point was generalised rather than directed at me, but being as it was in posted in reaction to the current topic I posted, I feel I could mention a couple of things here. So whilst I'll take your points and answer them, it goes without saying that I don't suggest you made the comments specifically at me...

I wasn't painting myself to be a wargame supporter...I am not. I am a computer game enthusiast. I will try and buy any games I think take my fancy. I've bought plenty of donkeys in my time, and that does make me more cautious about what I by...but I still buy a game if

• I hear good things about it OR
• I like the subject OR
• I've read good reviews (plural) or
• I've played the demo

or any combination of the above. To use ravinhood as an example, he wants to suggest I buy games just for the sake of it...I believe his exact terms to deride me were "...you can't control your spending..." and "...while you support your addiction and habit..." but as usual he's talking out his arse. Quite clearly, from the criteria I've specified above, I am more choosey about the games I buy than he suggests. He rarely posts anything of benefit for anyone anyway.

Also, I wasn't suggesting that people stop buying budget. In fact I did say that I have bought budget in the past. In particular if it''s a game that I may not normally have bought but think "What the hell".

Again, to use ravinhood as an example (he lends himself so well to being used as such) he uses these forums constantly to deride and abuse companies, developers and other members. I can't remember the last time he posted anything good about Matrix Games. The point is, and I'm usre he'll come back and confirm or otherwise, he has very little nice things to say about Matrix Games and yet uses these boards to hurl his abuse...and the icing on the cake is he doesn't own a single, full priced Matrix Game...not one.

Even in his penultimate post on this thread he suggests when Matrix Games supply manuals with there back catalogue, he'll buy them from NWS.

I might start a petition to try and get NWS to start a forum so he can piss the hell off out of here and go post shite there.

Yes, I knew I was in danger of painting you in too dark a corner, and that is why I referred to developer supporters in general. Though I'm sure you realize it, but your response didn't reflect it, one of my more submerged points was that there's more than one level in the industry that needs support. Let's take a purist wargamer, which apparently you a I are not, to drive the point. PW (purist wargamer) was buying discount during the shelf days, but bought all the wargame titles he could find; no matter the quality. PW is so adament about supporting wargaming that he bought them all, but PW has a very limited budget. One day PW would get some fairly decent bucks, but in those days he reasoned it was the only way he could support the business with much impact. Now, as you say, the developer goit nothing, but if those sales spurred the stores to hold onto wargames that much more likely, then it could be seen that PW in the long run was probably putting more money into the system than many buyers who buy right away. The ironic thing about the PW story is that if PW really put more money into the system than you or I in that day, he had less to put into it in the first place.

I know the cheap software disease to some extent. It tends to make you think you can be careless with your money, since it's all cheap anyway. But in my mind there's something much more important than how much I paid for it, but what the quality of the product is, and do I have too much already. Contrast that to quality buyers, and often you find the discount guy is spending more. The discount buyer can accumulate so many games that are absolute dogmeat, and yet is in the pathetic situation of not being able to play them all. What's even sadder, and I hope these descriptions aren't accurate for RH, because I doubt they are close to being accurate if they were, just joe-schmoe you can call these tendencies, is that having so many games tends to make people not give games very fair shakes and drop them far too quickly. Naturally, as I was saying earlier, he or any discount-only buyer may be actually putting more money into the system than either you or I, and because of some of those type accruing the attitudes and situations I described, end up having less of a good time too.

As you were saying earlier, they are also putting little or nothing in the developer's pocket, but, then again, if we are talking stores, these sort of buyers are helping in a secondary sort of way which even to this day still has some importance. One important reason I can think of is this. Do you know how many times a year I go to a software store anymore? Once maybe. For my part it's largely because I don't expect to find wargames there. For the most part wargames are my focus, and if the stores pretty much don't stock them, why should I go there? But what about the PW discount guy again? You know what he is doing? He is keeping the possibility of shelves being stock with wargames still hanging by a thread with his cheapo buying. I guarantee you he's putting more into the stores than I am these days, though I may exceed his developer contributions. Besides, I think wargaming is such a niche group that we cannot afford to have people discouraged to buy cheap, if that's the only way they can muster it. Me, I think buying cheap is way too much of an effort on my part as I don't like going to a store and just seeing endless titles of graphic eyesores and finding nothing I like. I'm sure it takes quite a bit of effort to watch stores for cheapo titles and a good close locale is needed too. It's just way too much effort on my part, and I have more games than I can play as it is. RH said he admired the patience angle that such buying needs to thrive, and I say I admire that too, but the one thing it does to some people that is none too pretty is the tendency for the patience gained to be lost in how their games can be treated, since they were bought cheap in the first place, therefore possibly treated more cheaply, and evaluated more hastily.

[JudgeDredd]

Granted (thought this post had died, RH and I had taken it to such a tangent) but...PW isn't really doing as you suggest, because all he's doing is getting cheap, sometimes quality software...he's not really restocking the shelves at Best Buy or whatever computer chain(s) you have in America.

Granted he might be helping keeping wargaming hanging on to retails stores by it's fingertips. I was in a store on Sunday...just checking...but I, like, you, have not been to a store in many years...simply because they do not stock wargames apart from the mainstream ones....the fancy rts 3d graphics ones.

On Sunday when I took my daughter down town to get a basketball I popped into the local Game store..and I am sad to report that there was a very small space allocated to PC gaming....PS3, XBox, XBox 360, Nintendo DS....they all had a fair share....but that shop used to be full of PC games. And there were NO (what I would call proper) wargames.

Wargaming proper has long since disappeared from the retail world, and I suspect it won't be coming back anytime soon, regardless of what PW does.

Still, as I pointed out, I wasn't suggesting that no-one picks up budget games. I do. I'm not even trying to change RHs mind...he just thinks I am. I'm actually just pointing out my pov....nothing more nothing less. But I, personally, would rather give my money directly to the developer where possible than see the biggest chunk given to retail and distribution where I can. Especially when said game is a budget anyway, which means even less to the developer!

It's a shame for sure, because I did actually enjoy going to the shop and browsing the shelves. Not just for wargames...but wargames is pretty much all I buy now.

Still, your point is taken. Each has their contribution to make, regardless of how they do it. I wasn't suggesting (contrary to certain beliefs) that my way is the only way wargaming will stay alive. Far from it...simply my own, personal pov.

[Hertston]

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

It's a shame for sure, because I did actually enjoy going to the shop and browsing the shelves. Not just for wargames...but wargames is pretty much all I buy now.

Likewise. It's a pretty futile exercise now (going back a bit, very reminiscent of the final couple of years when Amiga software stock in stores fell away and disappeared). There might be a couple of games a year I want that appear in stores (maybe SH4 was the last) but they are invariably bought online at a cheaper price. I can't remember the last game I bought as a result of just browsing; even bargain bin stuff.

[JudgeDredd]

Have you got SH4?

Pretty good looking game and quite submersive!!