Problems trying to purchase from you - fed up

[Hertston]

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

Have you got SH4?

Pretty good looking game and quite submersive!!

It was unfinished, buggy and broken, at least until the latest (and almost certainly last - the community had to scream like hell to get it at all) patch, so I went back to SH3 which with Grey Wolves and a few mods is the superior product (except for graphics) anyway. Haven't got around to re-installing to try the patch, yet.

[JudgeDredd]

Yes it was unfinished and the most bug ridden piece of crap ever to be released on the unsuspecting public (although other people may have different views ... ToW anyone?). I didn't buy because of what was being said. After 1.2, I thought it was worth a go after reading what people thought about it.

As for the latest patch if another one is there, then I'd be willing to fire it up again.

Like you I went back to GWX mod and Silent Hunter III...although SHIV is almost worth sticking with just for the sheer beauty of it....perhaps I'll look at that latest patch.

[Charles2222]

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

Granted (thought this post had died, RH and I had taken it to such a tangent) but...PW isn't really doing as you suggest, because all he's doing is getting cheap, sometimes quality software...he's not really restocking the shelves at Best Buy or whatever computer chain(s) you have in America.

Granted he might be helping keeping wargaming hanging on to retails stores by it's fingertips. I was in a store on Sunday...just checking...but I, like, you, have not been to a store in many years...simply because they do not stock wargames apart from the mainstream ones....the fancy rts 3d graphics ones.

On Sunday when I took my daughter down town to get a basketball I popped into the local Game store..and I am sad to report that there was a very small space allocated to PC gaming....PS3, XBox, XBox 360, Nintendo DS....they all had a fair share....but that shop used to be full of PC games. And there were NO (what I would call proper) wargames.

Wargaming proper has long since disappeared from the retail world, and I suspect it won't be coming back anytime soon, regardless of what PW does.

Still, as I pointed out, I wasn't suggesting that no-one picks up budget games. I do. I'm not even trying to change RHs mind...he just thinks I am. I'm actually just pointing out my pov....nothing more nothing less. But I, personally, would rather give my money directly to the developer where possible than see the biggest chunk given to retail and distribution where I can. Especially when said game is a budget anyway, which means even less to the developer!

It's a shame for sure, because I did actually enjoy going to the shop and browsing the shelves. Not just for wargames...but wargames is pretty much all I buy now.

Still, your point is taken. Each has their contribution to make, regardless of how they do it. I wasn't suggesting (contrary to certain beliefs) that my way is the only way wargaming will stay alive. Far from it...simply my own, personal pov.

Sorry, but the way you were talking about developers came across pretty much that way to me; as though people buy games to line other people's pockets (but I realize you were also stating in in not necessarily precise terms, but terms probably more along the lines to curb RH excess). That's part of what my talk was about, to get you to consider that it's not that important to do that, or at least if you wanted to see them on the shelves anyway, and that there are more ways to contribute.

We have a place over here called COMP USA, which has a very healthy pc department, and they do have quite a lot of wargame-related games. The vast majority are FPS. COMP USA though is pretty much the exception to the rule. That's another way that wargaming is hanging on, by as many FPS titles that the stores will hold of them. True, they often have only the time period to do with wargaming, but you know how an interest can be sparked by offshooting slightly from a favorite genre one might have. Just think about it JD. How many teens of this day have EVER played a proper wargame, and have played tons of FPS like that? The wargame sims are also a contributing factor, because it seems they have the ability to get on shelves too. Actually, those sort of "wargames" have to give us hope. All you need is a large enough publisher that heretofore has kept their wargaming interests limited to those types of wargames, switching their mode to a true aptly financed wargame, and that could be the start of the return to the shelves. That's all it takes, for one good sized one to be the only one making a category. I guess the ultimate would be a wargame that had a lot more "working" videos in it, or had some legit FPS or sim portion you could optionally use, but you need better computers for that. A lot of those buyers are used to using some of what they would otherwise refer to as lame graphics, when you consider how much of the sims use dull looking maps and what not for sim games. I think they have respect for the dull parts, if you can call it that, but they have to have at least bits of it that satisfy their oggling eye candy and action.

[Neilster]

SH3 uses Starforce doesn't it? What about SH4?

Cheers, Neilster

[JudgeDredd]

I don't know that SHIII does use starforce...I don't think so. I won't let it on my system if it does, but it could've slipped under my radar.

As for SHIV, no it does not.

[Terl]

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

I don't know that SHIII does use starforce...I don't think so. I won't let it on my system if it does, but it could've slipped under my radar.

As for SHIV, no it does not.

It shows on Games with Starforce site. This is why I have stayed away from this one.

[JudgeDredd]

Ah yes......it does. I installed it, rebooted, installed "something else" then started the game....no starforce

[Charles2222]

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

I don't know that SHIII does use starforce...I don't think so. I won't let it on my system if it does, but it could've slipped under my radar.

As for SHIV, no it does not.

SHIII does, I have it.

[JudgeDredd]

I know...hence this

Ah yes......it does. I installed it, rebooted, installed "something else" then started the game....no starforce

[martxyz]

Things called "something else" are ALWAYS useful.  [;)]