German Folly 2ndAcr (GE) vs Tullius (Reds)

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RE: German Folly 2ndAcr (GE) vs Tullius (Reds)

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Turn 15

3 Major areas of operations this turn. Smolensk, Stalino, Crimea.

In the north, 18th Army continues the bettering ram, 4th Panzer and 2nd Army are across the rivers south of the lake and hammering north. Recon showed a huge carpet of enemy forces around Leningrad. Looks like my decoy operations have worked and he has most of the Russian army up there. Guess he wants to keep it.

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Smolensk area of operations has roughly 2 Infantry Armies hammering away and advancing on the city. 2nd Panzer is hammering north as well.



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Turn 15

Stalino front. Here I stuck my neck way out some with 2 Panzer Corps. I managed to cut all the rails to the cities, so unless he can rail industry out over ports, he lost them now. Or until he can repair those rails. Worst case will have me take the cities during the snow.
Massive air lift of fuel to the 2 Panzer Corps'.

17th Army and the Romanians will mount the rescue operations (LOL) when he does the major pull back next turn to protect those cities. Luckily, he has few forces really down here to oppose me.

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Turn 15

Crimea area, 11th Army continues swinging down to get to Sevestopol by mud. 1 Corp will siege the city and the other will continue to the Kerch along with the Romanian Corp. Another Romanian Corp is in bound with 3 more Div.

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 Starting to plan out my winter defense, since TD is using BigA's winter idea, I am going to try and use a flexible defense, pulling back 1-2 hexes each turn to try and deny him the deliberate attacks.

I expect the North and the Center to be his main focus. So I am planning to send at least 6 more Infantry Div's to the north and central fronts to help out. I don't expect serious trouble in the south so remaining infantry will be broken down to regiments and strung out along the entire front.

Pray it works.
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Interesting move at Stalino. Your panzers will be cutoff as he has cav and a tank brigade at the base, but should be easy enough to link back up with in your turn. I'm assuming you dropped fuel on them so they can do something once you put them back in supply. Might be able to finish closing that big pocket and make the south pretty much devoid of anything but what he rails in during his turn.

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He will have his work cut out to get that mess in the south put completely out of supply. Axis have it a lot tougher to put guys out of supply there. Basically the three towns that are on the rail net are also ports, so they have to be taken to truly "bag" the Russians there, but I agree if he can pull it off, that will pretty much break any defense west of Stalino. Will be tough to get the infantry up that fast and mud is going to be a pita down there real quick.

He will for sure try to gather around your panzers down there. That seems to be something he likes to do by looking at his other AAR and what he has done with you as well in this game.

Pity on Crimea, because I don't know if you are going to be able to take out Sevastopol during the snow or not, because I don't see you getting it before mud sets in. Certainly knocking it off would help a lot.
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If he puts appropriate support down there, I think he can get it during the snow. We'll see.
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I don't think I can grab those ports along the coast. Would love to do it though. I dumped 200 fuel on the farthest Panzer, and 130 on the SS, with 50-75 each on the 2 follow up div's. Would be nice though. I was mainly going to cut off rail from Stalino so he could not evac any industry out. I think I succeeded on that.

The mud has me worried, that worries me a lot actually. I must have talked myself out of and then back into this action 100 times. He will mob my armor, that he loves to do, but luckily, most of his forces down here are ants that have been kicked around a bunch already.

All German units in Crimea have pioneer support. One way or another I will have the place during snow if I have to send another German Corp down there.
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Risky move near Stalino, will be interesting to see how it works out.

I'm not sure if I would extend yourself too far to take Stalino, because I doubt you'll be able to hold it during the blizzard. Of course it would be nice to take the cities, especially with industries un-evacced, but not sure if it is worth risking a bunch of panzer divisions...
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Turn 16

In the north, not much has happened this turn. Almost stagnant now. He is fort 4 across the Leningrad front, and I got to save my troops up there for the winter.

In the Central Zone, Smolensk is temporarily cut off but will be turn 17 before the cut off is set to hold.

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Turn 16

Central Zone 2

Bryansk is now cut off and Orel will go isolated next turn. 2nd Panzer Army is advancing and 6th Army has moved north to take the back side of Orel.

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Turn 16 Southern Zone

Okay, here my head is in the noose, I have handed him the rope. All supply is re-established and airlifting supply allowed the farthest south panzer div to actually counter attack to open the supply lines back up. I airlifted supply and fuel again this turn.

17th Army and 1st Panzer is on full scale rescue operations for next turn. I just need to link back up and hold during the mud, then I will complete the attack during the snow turns.

Recon shows a horde that was not there last turn to my East. That is my worry right now. I routed almost all the ants he placed in my way.

And 11th Army is almost to Kerch and on the outskirts of Sevestopol.

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Yeah, he smells blood in the water around Stalino. Going to be really rough for you there the next couple of turns to see if you can get some sort of line set up and keep your panzers safe before mud hits. The good news for you is he can't really get that much west of Stalino since you wacked the rail lines. Too bad you don't have some more mechanized help to speed up the infantry coming in from the west.
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Turn 17

In the North, not much has happened, I did not launch any attacks in the north this turn. I pulled 4st Panzer back and also 3rd Panzer units from exposed positions for the coming mud.

Main action was centered on 3 areas, Smolensk, Orel, Stalino.

First we have Smolensk, I almost have it cut off. It will die come the snow turns. Units are tired so will rest up during the mud turns.

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Turn 17 Orel

Here we have Orel almost cut off. I will attack during the mud to see if I can cut it off. 2nd Panzer Army and a lot of 6th Army are here.

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Turn 17

Here we have my only area I worry about some, but recon shows nothing really to threaten me. The long lonely line from Orel to almost Stalino.

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Turn 17 Stalino

Here I have now formed a line that prevents him from isolating me during the mud turns, Panzers will rest and 17th Army will continue closing the distance. Major push will happen here during the snow.

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Turn 17

Here we have my only area I worry about some, but recon shows nothing really to threaten me. The long lonely line from Orel to almost Stalino.

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[X(] Oh wow, that's awfully empty. I'd feel *very* uncomfortable with a line that thin. Comes Winter there's nothing to stop the russkies...?
You can always split a Division into three and pull them back behind a river, giving you at least some time.
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Do you have loss statistics? I suspect you are causing him way too few casualties. Meaning no matter what happens, in the long run you are doomed...
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Sorry guys but do to lack of time, I have not been able to update the AAR any. Here is a basic outlay of where we stand.

Turn 38 complete, blizzard over and I survived. I was forced to retreat in the south and lost about 11 div total. 1/2 the German army will have to rotate out to refit. The other half that had nice forts at blizzard start, level 3 or so, survived and even held the line. Turn 38 saw me finally able to counter attack and actually pummel some Ruskies. Felt really good.

Major tip, it pays to dig in deep now. Big time. Dig like no tomorrow, and dig multiple lines. If you have level 2 and below forts or get caught without forts, you will get creamed.

I gave Tillius permission to read this AAR, so he is welcome.
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