State of the game and future plans (?) May 2015.

[Joseignacio]

As I said, I cannot be 100% certain.

However I was terribly disappointed with the first release date given, which was in a Christmas time, supposed to be with netplay and working...

... and then it was postponed "sine die".

- I am an old time wiffer, so the game was not just an interesting game for me, I was thrilled about it.

- I had told all my wif group and wiffer acquaintances, informed the wif yahoo list. Everybody told me it would be a failure, like CWIF, but I defended the project cause I believed in Steve. I was wrong. I lost some prestige, and had to put up with numerous jokes.

- I got so deceived it became apathy. Because of this I didn't offer to be a Beta Tester. And however I bought the game, knowing it was incomplete and bugged, although not knowing to what point it really was.

- I have enjoyed" more than 2 years now, with a game that cannot work, unless with additional help (sharing computer screens or similar), and is still full of bugs, and with few and small scenarios and no AI nor there will be in the foreseeable future.

But I do not behave like a sour sad venomous freak. I have a dignity and have a life.

[CrusssDaddy]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Warspite: Yes that is what I'm saying.

warspite1

Fair enough. We can add liar to spoilt, boorish, childlike, troll, obnoxious, twat - anymore?

At the end of 2012 you decided Steve's health issues were funny. Firstly, just a reminder in case anyone thinks we are talking a slight head cold and a dodgy knee. Steve has suffered cancer in the eye and a heart attack, requiring triple bypass surgery.

These, it hardly need be said, are life-threatening issues. However for a great humanitarian like CrusssDaddy, these serious conditions were just something else to throw at Steve. 22nd December is a real low point...

28th November 2012
Good lord, I'm waist deep in old coots here! I'm 41. Listen dudes, I did my part: I've voted for Obama twice to ensure you geezers have the free health care you need to make it another decade and have a fighting chance to play WiF on your computer. It's out of my hands now, good luck

22nd December 2012
Basically Steve says, "Hey guys, just checking in to let you know I am dying. I am literally suffering a new systemic failure on a monthly basis and these, my final days of life, are miserable. I hope you understand why there's no game, or even any updates."

29th December 2012
Hey-hey, it's almost time for the 2012 Year in Review post. Can't wait! Learning why another year has gone by with no progress toward a completed game is now a January tradition almost a decade old. Here's an idea for a drinking game: do one shot of bourbon every time Steve says "Nothing new." I know some of you guys are in frail health, you can substitute carrot juice and just act drunk.

Yep the guy is just a class act.

Haha what an absurdity! Good Lord, you're not afraid to show your buttocks to the crowd, I'll grant you that. Smart move not providing links, so context is absent. The first quote has nothing to do with Steve and is response to bo and some others (Extraneous or Milzn maybe?) revealing their ages and my being shocked at being the youngster in the crew. Good natured ribbing. The second is actually in defense of Steve, who revealed his difficulties and then was attacked in a separate thread for not working on AI -- I'm using hyperbole to shine light on priorities, and this may mark my last actual defense of him. The third has nothing to do with Steve, again, and is a jibe at you old coots.

Can you unclutch the hem of your skirt and come down now from that chair? Your feminine mannerisms are disconcerting.

[CrusssDaddy]

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

As I said, I cannot be 100% certain.

However I was terribly disappointed with the first release date given, which was in a Christmas time, supposed to be with netplay and working...

... and then it was postponed "sine die".

- I am an old time wiffer, so the game was not just an interesting game for me, I was thrilled about it.

- I had told all my wif group and wiffer acquaintances, informed the wif yahoo list. Everybody told me it would be a failure, like CWIF, but I defended the project cause I believed in Steve. I was wrong. I lost some prestige, and had to put up with numerous jokes.

- I got so deceived it became apathy. Because of this I didn't offer to be a Beta Tester. And however I bought the game, knowing it was incomplete and bugged, although not knowing to what point it really was.

- I have enjoyed" more than 2 years now, with a game that cannot work, unless with additional help (sharing computer screens or similar), and is still full of bugs, and with few and small scenarios and no AI nor there will be in the foreseeable future.

But I do not behave like a sour sad venomous freak. I have a dignity and have a life.

If MWiF is in any way a metric of your self-valuation and prestige, I must politely challenge the assertion you have either dignity or a life. We can agree to disagree, and I hope you find the courage to someday recover your lost prestige.

Now, back to the thread... where's Matrix gone?!?!? What act of God is required to motivate Erik to order an intern there to type into the message box, "Checking in. We're still involved. Nothing new to report. Steve's monthly report forthcoming shortly." ???

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Warspite: Yes that is what I'm saying.

warspite1

Fair enough. We can add liar to spoilt, boorish, childlike, troll, obnoxious, twat - anymore?

At the end of 2012 you decided Steve's health issues were funny. Firstly, just a reminder in case anyone thinks we are talking a slight head cold and a dodgy knee. Steve has suffered cancer in the eye and a heart attack, requiring triple bypass surgery.

These, it hardly need be said, are life-threatening issues. However for a great humanitarian like CrusssDaddy, these serious conditions were just something else to throw at Steve. 22nd December is a real low point...

28th November 2012
Good lord, I'm waist deep in old coots here! I'm 41. Listen dudes, I did my part: I've voted for Obama twice to ensure you geezers have the free health care you need to make it another decade and have a fighting chance to play WiF on your computer. It's out of my hands now, good luck

22nd December 2012
Basically Steve says, "Hey guys, just checking in to let you know I am dying. I am literally suffering a new systemic failure on a monthly basis and these, my final days of life, are miserable. I hope you understand why there's no game, or even any updates."

29th December 2012
Hey-hey, it's almost time for the 2012 Year in Review post. Can't wait! Learning why another year has gone by with no progress toward a completed game is now a January tradition almost a decade old. Here's an idea for a drinking game: do one shot of bourbon every time Steve says "Nothing new." I know some of you guys are in frail health, you can substitute carrot juice and just act drunk.

Yep the guy is just a class act.

Haha what an absurdity! Good Lord, you're not afraid to show your buttocks to the crowd, I'll grant you that. Smart move not providing links, so context is absent. The first quote has nothing to do with Steve and is response to bo and some others (Extraneous or Milzn maybe?) revealing their ages and my being shocked at being the youngster in the crew. Good natured ribbing. The second is actually in defense of Steve, who revealed his difficulties and then was attacked in a separate thread for not working on AI -- I'm using hyperbole to shine light on priorities, and this may mark my last actual defense of him. The third has nothing to do with Steve, again, and is a jibe at you old coots.

Can you unclutch the hem of your skirt and come down now from that chair? Your feminine mannerisms are disconcerting.

warspite1

Of course. My mistake. You have spent the last six years praising, encouraging and defending Steve, so that was naturally another example of that. You are an absurd little man.

[CrusssDaddy]

Apology accepted.

Matrix? Heeeelloooooo...???

[bo]

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: bo




+ 1 [;)]

Bo

warspite1

He has been asked this many times in the past.

I remember when CrusssDaddy came to the forum - and fair enough he was enthusiastic about the game and, like us all, clearly looking forward to playing the game.

Then, at some point, the unfortunate reality set in that the game wasn't going to be finished any time soon. This reality of course dawned on all who have followed the game over the years; some of us have accepted it and continue to support the project, some have dipped in and out, checking on progress from time to time, and some have given up, left the forum having tired of ever seeing this game either launched or - having been launched - of seeing it finished.

I may be wrong but the first post that I saw from him in this forum, and I think it was his first one (at MWIF's) was absolutely destructive, caustic. Don't think he ever was constructive about this game.

I might be wrong, after all I thought the same about Bo, when he started whining at the beginning, but time soon showed that that was just one post and Bo is a constructive and social person, whereas C-D is a freak with very few in his life and a sour seam that he needs to give free exit from time to time, expel the poison in order not to be poisoned himself. However he gets poisoned all the same. I made a search n the net and found some holes in his armor through which I was able to have a glance of his sad life, I guess they are closed now...

I would recommend counseling, which is another way to say "get a life".

Hi Jose the whine is returning even though I have tried to keep it to a whimper and my so called constructive and social person is starting to crumble as time goes on. But I do appreciate your comments about me.

crussdaddy does not bother me in the least, in fact I find him amusing as he pushes posters button and they get all indignant and frustrated as he sits back in his easy chair thinking hmmmm got them again. [;)]

Bo

[CrusssDaddy]

I'm not going to let Warspite get to me, I encourage others to also ignore his childish insults and name-calling. I don't think he's a "troll" because probably deep down underneath it all his heart is in the right place, but probably he could do with a talking to from his mother about manners. [8D][8D][8|][:-][:'(][;)][:D][:)][8D][8D]

[warspite1]

Sadly my mother is no longer with us, she died of cancer so perhaps you have a great joke about that you can share too [8|]

I am really pleased you don't think I am a troll.... no seriously I am, because I care deeply about what you think.

And in response to the post before, I can guarantee that I do not get frustrated and indignant at your posts - I think the correct words would be bored and saddened. I mean what adult spends six years of his life, box of kleenex in one hand, just waiting for something to fail - and delighting in trashing the work of others. Such a constructive, positive attitude to have. I mean that is not sad at all is it?

Anyway, its been... well its been, so I'll let you have the last word and I promise not to engage in dialogue with you again. Don't disappoint me and forget the cancer/dead mum joke now.

P.S Pleased you liked my buttocks btw [:)].

[CrusssDaddy]

Sorry about your mom, that's a drag. Hope she at least made it to a ripe old age. Here's your cancer joke:

Doctor: "Well, I'm afraid I have some bad news for you. There's no easy way to say this: You have cancer, and you have Alzheimer's."
Patient: "Oh, thank God. It could have been much worse -- at least I don't have cancer!"

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Sorry about your mom, that's a drag. Hope she at least made it to a ripe old age. Here's your cancer joke:

Doctor: "Well, I'm afraid I have some bad news for you. There's no easy way to say this: You have cancer, and you have Alzheimer's."
Patient: "Oh, thank God. It could have been much worse -- at least I don't have cancer!"

warspite1

[:)][&o]

[Centuur]

Well... This has been some interesting reading... What a total mess... [:-] [8|]

[rkr1958]

ORIGINAL: Centuur

Well... This has been some interesting reading... What a total mess... [:-] [8|]

+inf

[AxelNL]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Sorry about your mom, that's a drag. Hope she at least made it to a ripe old age. Here's your cancer joke:

Doctor: "Well, I'm afraid I have some bad news for you. There's no easy way to say this: You have cancer, and you have Alzheimer's."
Patient: "Oh, thank God. It could have been much worse -- at least I don't have cancer!"

Cruss - I did 8 months of Chemo. Although you deserve a lot - I do not wish you to go into that particular hell.

I do wish you would get a life. Perhaps a wife would already be a good idea for you?

[bo]

ORIGINAL: AxelNL

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Sorry about your mom, that's a drag. Hope she at least made it to a ripe old age. Here's your cancer joke:

Doctor: "Well, I'm afraid I have some bad news for you. There's no easy way to say this: You have cancer, and you have Alzheimer's."
Patient: "Oh, thank God. It could have been much worse -- at least I don't have cancer!"

Cruss - I did 8 months of Chemo. Although you deserve a lot - I do not wish you to go into that particular hell.

I do wish you would get a life. Perhaps a wife would already be a good idea for you?

Good lord AxelnL hope it is in remission or totally gone it is a terrifying word to me. {cancer]

Maybe the problem with crussdaddy is that he has a wife and she keeps beating him playing CWIF and he takes it out on you posters but he does not bother me at all. Well maybe sometimes [:(]

Bo

[Missouri_Rebel]

I believe it's now time for an expert opinion. He enjoys an excellent command of the English language and is known to get to the source of many of the the worlds problems.

Please give a warm welcome to Dr. Knowitall.






Y'all are fuuucked in tha head.

Thank you Dr.

I think everyone is pretty clear on things at this point.

Is MWIF a massive undertaking- Yes
Was it released too early- Yes
Did almost every single beta tester say so before it was released- Yes
Was it Matrix's decision to release it- Yes
Is it finished- No
Is it being worked on- Yes
Is it close to being where everyone wants it to be- No
Will it ever get there- I hope so
Was it more of an undertaking than Steve thought it would be- Probably
Is he up to the task- I'd say yes
Does he deserve the scorn given by Cruss- No
Does Matrix- Possibly
Is Cruss intelligent- Yes
Does he come across as a dick- Yes
Does he have the right to express his feelings- Yes
Could they be conveyed better- Of course
Will he temper himself in the future- I hope so
Are beta testers working their butts off to better the game- Yes, some are
If Matrix didn't take on this task would the code still be the mess that CWiF was- Yes
Is the communication between Matrix and MWiF customers terrible- Yes
From Steve- No
Would everyone wish things were moving faster- Yes
Are they- At times
Have any beta testers been 'foolish' enough to buy the game- Yes, I have
Why- Because this is a once in a lifetime endeavor that I feel deserves to be supported
Are some people a little too eager to defend this situation- At times
Is their heart in the right place- Yes
Will Matrix offer a refund to those unhappy- No
Should they have sold this as a beta- Probably
Did they learn from this undertaking- I would think they did
Do they plan to continue support- I hope so
Is all this bickering childish and unnecessary- Absolutely
Are you tired of my questions- I'd bet
Can we all just put this behind us and continue to move forward- ?

mo reb


We really don't want to slum down to Jerry do we?

[bo]

Good lord Reb my wife watches Dr Phil all the time I cannot stand him that arrogant boob, but this is the first time he has ever been on the ball, cannot think of one question he answered wrong [;)] good post.

Bo

[joshuamnave]

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

Is MWIF a massive undertaking- Yes
Was it released too early- Yes
Did almost every single beta tester say so before it was released- Yes
Was it Matrix's decision to release it- Yes
Is it finished- No
Is it being worked on- Yes
Is it close to being where everyone wants it to be- No
Will it ever get there- I hope so
Was it more of an undertaking than Steve thought it would be- Probably
Is he up to the task- I'd say yes
Does he deserve the scorn given by Cruss- No
Does Matrix- Possibly
Is Cruss intelligent- Yes
Does he come across as a dick- Yes
Does he have the right to express his feelings- Yes
Could they be conveyed better- Of course
Will he temper himself in the future- I hope so
Are beta testers working their butts off to better the game- Yes, some are
If Matrix didn't take on this task would the code still be the mess that CWiF was- Yes
Is the communication between Matrix and MWiF customers terrible- Yes
From Steve- No
Would everyone wish things were moving faster- Yes
Are they- At times
Have any beta testers been 'foolish' enough to buy the game- Yes, I have
Why- Because this is a once in a lifetime endeavor that I feel deserves to be supported
Are some people a little too eager to defend this situation- At times
Is their heart in the right place- Yes
Will Matrix offer a refund to those unhappy- No
Should they have sold this as a beta- Probably
Did they learn from this undertaking- I would think they did
Do they plan to continue support- I hope so
Is all this bickering childish and unnecessary- Absolutely
Are you tired of my questions- I'd bet
Can we all just put this behind us and continue to move forward- ?

mo reb

I agree with pretty much all of this, but there are issues not addressed.

Look, let's just get the elephant in the middle of the room out of the way. Steve is not in the best of health. I don't say that to be insensitive, but because so long as Matrix is unable or unwilling to assign additional coders to this project, it's an issue. What I want to know is what happens to MWiF if Steve is unable to continue working on it due to further health declines? Is Matrix prepared to commit additional resources in that unfortunate event or will we be left with MWiF in whatever state it's in at that time? If not, will Matrix release the code so that other hobbyists can try to work through the remaining bugs?

In the last state of the game update, about a year and a half ago, Erik said that someone was coming on to help with networking issues. No mention of that has even been made since then. Did that happen, and if so what was the result? If not, why not?

The switch to a public beta for patches has meant fewer patches with just as many regression bugs and very rare changes from the beta patch to the official patch. Has there been any discussion of going back to a more frequent patch schedule with smaller updates in each patch?

Given the number of bugs still remaining and the frustration among those of us not blessed with the debug tool, has there been any more discussion of releasing the debug tool to the rest of us?

While I once supported letting the beta testers have a private forum for discussion and communication with Steve, we've reached the point where there are less than 20 or so regular posters on this forum. Having a separate forum for some of them now feels exclusionary at best and at worst fosters feelings of distrust between the few remaining beta testers and some of the rest of us. Has there been any discussion of either opening the beta forum to everyone or discontinuing the beta testing, since we're all part of the public beta now anyway?

Is there still a practical, realistic plan to release an AI? If so, are you still planning on charging us for it?

Once lost, trust is a difficult thing to get back. Does Matrix have any ideas or thoughts on how to regain the trust of its customers or are there too few of us to matter at this point?

[Joseignacio]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy


...

If MWiF is in any way a metric of your self-valuation and prestige, I must politely challenge the assertion you have either dignity or a life. We can agree to disagree, and I hope you find the courage to someday recover your lost prestige.

MWIF is not, having given my confidence to the word of a game programmer against all odds and being embarrassed publicly in forums and "physical" friends circles, being considered too naïve because of believing in someone, is.

For me MWIF is unimportant in life, that's why I dont' whine all the time or make depressing the Programmer (and eventually all the members) my personal Crusade. Instead, I play other games, study languages, work hard, and take care of my family, which doesn't usually leave me time enough or energy enough to troll a forum. [:D]

[Joseignacio]

ORIGINAL: bo

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

ORIGINAL: warspite1

warspite1

He has been asked this many times in the past.

I remember when CrusssDaddy came to the forum - and fair enough he was enthusiastic about the game and, like us all, clearly looking forward to playing the game.

Then, at some point, the unfortunate reality set in that the game wasn't going to be finished any time soon. This reality of course dawned on all who have followed the game over the years; some of us have accepted it and continue to support the project, some have dipped in and out, checking on progress from time to time, and some have given up, left the forum having tired of ever seeing this game either launched or - having been launched - of seeing it finished.

I may be wrong but the first post that I saw from him in this forum, and I think it was his first one (at MWIF's) was absolutely destructive, caustic. Don't think he ever was constructive about this game.

I might be wrong, after all I thought the same about Bo, when he started whining at the beginning, but time soon showed that that was just one post and Bo is a constructive and social person, whereas C-D is a freak with very few in his life and a sour seam that he needs to give free exit from time to time, expel the poison in order not to be poisoned himself. However he gets poisoned all the same. I made a search n the net and found some holes in his armor through which I was able to have a glance of his sad life, I guess they are closed now...

I would recommend counseling, which is another way to say "get a life".

Hi Jose the whine is returning even though I have tried to keep it to a whimper and my so called constructive and social person is starting to crumble as time goes on. But I do appreciate your comments about me.

crussdaddy does not bother me in the least, in fact I find him amusing as he pushes posters button and they get all indignant and frustrated as he sits back in his easy chair thinking hmmmm got them again. [;)]

Bo

Bo, I may not share your feelings but maybe I will, everybody's patience has a limit, ...

... however, it's not the same to come like an elephant in a china shop THEN and NOW. The difference are several years of development, many unmet deadlines, your work as a beta tester in your case and my spending more than 100 euro in the most expensive game in my life, which doesn't work.

You have earned the right to be angry.

And anyway, you whine or whimper trying to construct, suggesting what you think can help, not bashing and being negative just as a trademark.

[marf]

This game has to get done soon, or I am asking for a refund. It has been over a year since release. Where's the ai and the 1/2 map scenarios. Matrix should have developed it fully before they released it.