Turn Based PC wargame in Star Trek Theme

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ORIGINAL: sabre1

There was another game from SSI, Crescent something or other that was a turn based space combat between ships simulation. It was a lot of fun IIRC.

Yes, there was that one as well (I missed the posts referring to this before my last post)...

[JudgeDredd]

ORIGINAL: Joe 98

And what is .Net ??

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Framework

Basically a library of procedures and function which are installed on your system...alot of programs will access these procedures and functions in order to execute properly. If you don't have the .NET framework installed, it will likely limit the available software you can run...which will only get more limited as time goes on I would suspect. For example, alot new games insist on the installation of .NET and if you don't have it installed, the game won't run - afterall, it's using a shed load of functions provided by the .NET system.

Meant to say I was particularly saddened by the inclusion of the garbage collector. Whilst a good idea, I always felt as a programmer if you couldn't release what you used then you probably shouldn't be programming. The inclusion of the garbage collector system only encourages programmers to be flippant with their code (imo)...on the other hand, it does mean peoples machines will be "protected" to some degree from running out of resources.


killroyishere
You need to change you sig - Erik posted this 3 days ago (as well you know [:-])

Erik Rutins
Killroyishere,

Judge was right - your anti-trolling sig ends up in fact being trolling as when you name other users as trolls (and are not a mod) that constitutes a personal attack. Please change your sig at your next login to remove any user names.

Regards,

- Erik

in this thread - so change it pls

By the way, if you switched on PMs, I could have discussed it privately with you. Whilst you might be getting some fun from baiting me, flouting Eriks suggestion will only get his back up. Unless, of course, you consider his post to be trolling as it was nothing to do with the topic and more to do with your sig (which isn't part of the topic and clearly not designed to bait and badger)

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ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

ORIGINAL: Joe 98

And what is .Net ??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Framework

Basically a library of procedures and function which are installed on your system...alot of programs will access these procedures and functions in order to execute properly. If you don't have the .NET framework installed, it will likely limit the available software you can run...which will only get more limited as time goes on I would suspect.

Depends on whether commercial programmers retain their ability to program (or if the new breed gains the ability to program).

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd
For example, alot new games insist on the installation of .NET and if you don't have it installed, the game won't run - afterall, it's using a shed load of functions provided by the .NET system.

So far only two have interested me. In the one case, it turned out to be a good thing I didn't buy it. In the other case, well, I bought it because I didn't know of the requirement (read: Advanced Tactics).

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd
Meant to say I was particularly saddened by the inclusion of the garbage collector. Whilst a good idea, I always felt as a programmer if you couldn't release what you used then you probably shouldn't be programming. The inclusion of the garbage collector system only encourages programmers to be flippant with their code (imo)...on the other hand, it does mean peoples machines will be "protected" to some degree from running out of resources.

Great example. It not only increases programmers' dependency on Microsoft (does anybody think that's a good thing?), it can encourage even lazier programming (not to mention, in this age of hackers, spammers, virii, future incompatibilities, etc, ...more hooks into my system cannot be a good thing). I won't (knowingly) buy a game that needs any version of (dot)Net. Even if every single programmer "falls into the Net*," I still have enough games to last several lifetimes. (and if push comes to shove, I have a family I could pay attention to. ...In dire times that is! *grin*)

* Horrible pun intended. *sheepish grin*

[sabre100]

www.starfleetproject.com - not for the feint of heart!

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ORIGINAL: sabre100

www.starfleetproject.com - not for the feint of heart!

Oooh, "Begin" is an oldie! It was a bit too real-time for my personal tastes, as I recall. (? - could be failing memory there as well. *grin?*)

[ilovestrategy]

Man, I'm having flashbacks on the table top Star Fleet Battles. Boy, did I have some epic campaigns! I remember over summer vacation in the early 80's me and a friend of mine conducted a General War and when school started in September all we had left of both fleets were light cruisers and destroyers!  [:D]

We had fleet lists made out to make sure we were evenly matched and even had a roster of both fleets with each ship named from the biggest ship down to the smallest frigate. [&o]

A Fed Command Cruiser making a successful snap turn=Priceless!

[Jevhaddah]

A Fed Command Cruiser making a successful snap turn=Priceless!

With overloaded photon torpedoes, the look of horror on my opponents face is still vivid [:D]

Cheers

Jev

[ilovestrategy]

Jev, you are my hero, you know that? I actually laughed out loud when reading your post! [&o]

[Jevhaddah]

heheh I used to play SFB most nights of the week with my friends. We had a wee club and used to fight fleet battles, Starbase Battles et al [:D]

I still have my SFB kit in the loft both the older Commanders edition and now old Captains Edition. I see there is a new verion of SFB out with reduced bookeeping I may give it a looksee.

I used to prefer playing as a Klingon but Romulan Plasmas were also fun to scare the Flat heads with

Cheers

Jev

[Obsolete]

1981 holy moly.

If SSI could have only lasted yet another 20 years...

[diablo1]

ORIGINAL: Obsolete

1981 holy moly.

If SSI could have only lasted yet another 20 years...

I always thought Matrixgames was SSI with a different name. The same fundamental games are being produced by them and they do have Joel Billings and Gary Grigsby right?

I also remember names like Krogal or Koger (sp) and Landrey of the SSI days and Hille who did the first Combat Leader game actually.

Gamewise though Matrixgames still puts out wargames like SSI did except for rolepaying games in the DnD style like the Gold Box series which I still have fond memories and the 5-1/4" disks of for my Commodore 64. Sword of Aragon I had to buy an Amiga 500 to be able to play it. The colors and sounds were great back then for those games also. Those games let you design your characters looks and colors as well.

[Stele]

Wow, I had no idea there were SFB players here.

While I was in diapers while many of you were commanding starships in SFB...[:'(]

...I've recently been introduced to SFB's child "Federation Commander." A "lighter" version of SFB by the same creator.

[Jevhaddah]

ORIGINAL: _Stele

Wow, I had no idea there were SFB players here.

While I was in diapers while many of you were commanding starships in SFB...[:'(]

...I've recently been introduced to SFB's child "Federation Commander." A "lighter" version of SFB by the same creator.

Whats it like _Stele? I may purchase it for my wargaming club [:D]

Cheers

Jev

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ORIGINAL: _Stele

Wow, I had no idea there were SFB players here.

While I was in diapers while many of you were commanding starships in SFB...[:'(]

...I've recently been introduced to SFB's child "Federation Commander." A "lighter" version of SFB by the same creator.

I didn't get into SFB until 1980 (I missed the early version because I was stationed overseas). And then I bought everything as SFB gained momentum. Had a hobby shop that kept at least one of everything set aside for me just for my annual shopping trip while on leave (did they see me coming or what? *grin*).

Before SFB, I had the Zocchi floor game... [*ack* name escapes me], strings, miniatures, compasses, etc. Used the same miniatures as SFB (and maybe used them first?).

[ilovestrategy]

I once had a Romulan fleet attacking a Fed Star Base. We slugged it out until I had one crippled War Eagle with no shields left and all of his shields were gone with a phaser on the other side of his starbase, so it turned into a race to see if he could rotate his star base faster than I could charge a plasma torpedo. I remember him being impressed that I was still pressing the attack.

Well, he managed to destroy me with one shot from his phaser IV and afterwards he stood up from the other side of the table and shook my hand and said I acted like a real warrior.

Even in war games you can have chivalry. [&o]

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ORIGINAL: Jevhaddah

ORIGINAL: _Stele

Wow, I had no idea there were SFB players here.

While I was in diapers while many of you were commanding starships in SFB...[:'(]

...I've recently been introduced to SFB's child "Federation Commander." A "lighter" version of SFB by the same creator.

Whats it like _Stele? I may purchase it for my wargaming club [:D]

Cheers

Jev

While I've barely played through a single scenario, the biggest differences are:
a) It's more fluid than SFB. Especially in the power planning. Instead of plotting all power usage at the beginning of the turn, you use a coin(s) on your SSD to use/spend energy where and how you see fit as the turn progresses (Course changes are on-the-fly as well, within the age old speed limitations).
b) Much higher production quality... SSD's are laminated and VERY colorful.
c) There is more marketing strategy because of the higher production quality. You won't really want to just run off more copies of SSD's, but are instead induced to buy more add-on packs with more SSD's and ship types, etc. (unless you do what I did, and just make a Vassal module for the game. *grin*)

This damn thread, did get me to reinstall Starfleet Command II and Starfleet Command Orion Pirates though. Now I've got to sort through and reinstall a million** ship model mods that make it really look like SFB.

** okay, a slight exaggeration. *grin?*

[Jevhaddah]

Heheh thanks for that reply E.

Looks like I will have to give the new SFB a look see [:D]

Cheers

Jev

[sysrkm]

Hey Jev, or E...

Was in the Beta test group for both games. Loved them. Just like always, anyone who can cloak and fire plasma is too powerful unless they are outnumbered or runs into a fleet with a couple of minelayers.

I'm going to keep at least one of my PCs running on WinXP just so I can keep on playing these games.

Now if someone would make a TOP down, turn based, hex mapped, WEGO game based on Star Trek, I'd be in heaven...

I can't remember but can you command a star base in SFC or SFC:OP or did that have to be AI?

Great post!

Regards,

Rob

[105mm Howitzer]

Still got my games and counters locked up. Once in a while, I dust them off and it's a go.

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ORIGINAL: sysrkm

Hey Jev, or E...

I can't remember but can you command a star base in SFC or SFC:OP or did that have to be AI?

I don't remember either... I don't think so, but I'm still trying to piece my fleets back together in OP (haven't looked at II, even though I reinstalled both at the same time). I haven't seen a way to even get a starbase into a skirmish scenario (unless someone has a scenario already scripted).

I did find a size comparison I did many moons ago for the Federation addons (in context of my reply, as I recall, there was absolutely no way to get a full screenshot of the starbase)...