Does any of the leaders get promoted??

[bigjoe96912]

Whats the deal. Do any of the leaders get promoted?? I am still waiting on Mitscher to become an admiral, I guess I shoulf have sunk the Hornet. And on top of that I have like 6 Capt Arleigh Burks

[msieving1]

Leaders don't promote. Mitscher stays a captain for the whole war. And there are some duplicates in the database.

Frankly, the leaders database in stock is a mess. Hopefully, AE will fix that.

[bradfordkay]

However, the good news is that the rank doesn't matter... only the ratings. So if you make sure that Mitscher's carrier is the flagship of the TF, then he will be a very effective TF commander.  Personally, I haven't quite figured out to make any one CV the flagship over another...

[ckammp]

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[cyberwop36]

I play stock and Mitscher is a RADM TF commander I can select any time. He got promoted some time in 43. Of course Sherman and his clones command about 3 CV's. I can show you if I figure out how to do a screen cap. lol

[Yamato hugger]

Ranks do not change. They did in PacWar, but not in any of these series.

[NormS3]

I have found that the higher durability of the ship with the same class becomes the flagship, if there are more than two, it is the last one picked.

[Chris21wen]

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

However, the good news is that the rank doesn't matter... only the ratings. So if you make sure that Mitscher's carrier is the flagship of the TF, then he will be a very effective TF commander.  Personally, I haven't quite figured out to make any one CV the flagship over another...

Rank does matter, try putting a Lt in charge of a CV. You can't. Neither can you do it the other way round. Generally a Capt can command a large ship, Cmdrs DDs and Lt small ships. Similar rules apply to LCU and Air.

Note I did say generally. The designers have determines who can and cannot be i/c of any particular unit and within that structure rank doesn't matter.

Now if you can and I'm missing something then I would like to know how.

[Yamato hugger]

Ranks dont matter. They are a string in a file. What matters is the flag in the database that says what a given leader CAN command. You can change the rank of a given leader to "swabby first class" if you want to, but that wont prevent him from commanding a carrier TF if he is so flagged. There is a Col that can command SEAC for example.

[51st Highland Div]

Theres a few that would be lucky to be demoted to captain of a bilge carrying ship nevermind anything else...one person springs to mind...[:D]

[cyberwop36]

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

Ranks do not change. They did in PacWar, but not in any of these series.

Sorry but that is not true. I play stock and Mitscher is now a RADM and can't command a CV. And he is available as a TF commander any time I form a TF he can command it if he isn't already at sea.

I know I don't have 5k posts but if you can remind me how to take a screen shot I can prove it to you.

He got promoted sometime in '43.

[bradfordkay]

ORIGINAL: cyberwop36

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

Ranks do not change. They did in PacWar, but not in any of these series.

Sorry but that is not true. I play stock and Mitscher is now a RADM and can't command a CV. And he is available as a TF commander any time I form a TF he can command it if he isn't already at sea.

I know I don't have 5k posts but if you can remind me how to take a screen shot I can prove it to you.

He got promoted sometime in '43.

I think the situation here is that so many of us play CHS or other mods where he does not show up as an Admiral. I just checked through the list in my CHS 2.08 scen 159 game and he isn't there. It is probable that the mod designers never knew that you could add admirals as the war progressed.

[cyberwop36]

I'll modify my statement. I'm playing stock 42A and RADM Mitscher began as a CV commander, only selectable as a individual ship commander. Now in early 44 he is not on a list to be assign as a CV commander. But if I form any TF, even a MSW or a all AK tf in San Francisco he selectable as the TF commander if he is not already at sea. He has changed lists.

But he did begin the scenario as a RADM.

BTW, great tip on ship selection order. Now I can choose which CV or which highest class is the flag. I always ASSUMED it was random. At least in stock it's not.

[Yamato hugger]

Heh, well... With the leader bug in WitP, it would be surprising if anyone was available for anything later on in the war. Most of my ships are commanded by US fighter pilots by mid-43 as it is now.

[cyberwop36]

I don't seem to have guys disappearing any more. But there are a lot of clones of Sherman, Fort, Burke and the like.

The weird one is DD and smaller warships are infiltrated by Jap leaders of all branches. Every couple of weeks I have to go through them and weed them out. Capital ships don't have this problem. AK and TK every now and then.

[Chris21wen]

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

Ranks dont matter. They are a string in a file. What matters is the flag in the database that says what a given leader CAN command. You can change the rank of a given leader to "swabby first class" if you want to, but that wont prevent him from commanding a carrier TF if he is so flagged. There is a Col that can command SEAC for example.

I repeat, try putting a Lt in charge of a CV. You can't. Now if rank didn't matter you could. Now I did qualify what I said my which was:

'Note I did say generally. The designers have determines who can and cannot be i/c of any particular unit and within that structure rank doesn't matter. '

[Shark7]

ORIGINAL: Chris H

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

Ranks dont matter. They are a string in a file. What matters is the flag in the database that says what a given leader CAN command. You can change the rank of a given leader to "swabby first class" if you want to, but that wont prevent him from commanding a carrier TF if he is so flagged. There is a Col that can command SEAC for example.

I repeat, try putting a Lt in charge of a CV. You can't. Now if rank didn't matter you could. Now I did qualify what I said my which was:

'Note I did say generally. The designers have determines who can and cannot be i/c of any particular unit and within that structure rank doesn't matter. '

I've also noticed that you can't put a captain in charge of a destroyer or smaller in Vanilla WiTP. Only Commanders and Lt. Commanders on DDs, going to lower ranks as the size of the vessels decrease.

[msieving1]

ORIGINAL: cyberwop36

I'll modify my statement. I'm playing stock 42A and RADM Mitscher began as a CV commander, only selectable as a individual ship commander. Now in early 44 he is not on a list to be assign as a CV commander. But if I form any TF, even a MSW or a all AK tf in San Francisco he selectable as the TF commander if he is not already at sea. He has changed lists.

But he did begin the scenario as a RADM.

BTW, great tip on ship selection order. Now I can choose which CV or which highest class is the flag. I always ASSUMED it was random. At least in stock it's not.

In the stock 42A scenario, Mitscher is a Rear Admiral and Task Force commander. That's how he starts and that's how he stays. At the start of the game, he is in command of Hornet, but if you replace him in that position you won't be able to put him in command of another ship.

In the stock scenarios that start in December 1941, Mitscher is a Captain and ship commander. You can't make him a task force commander unless he is captain of the task force flagship.

[Barb]

I think he is "Promoted" in database - Cpt.Mitscher (Ship commander) is withdrawn on set date and Adm.Mitscher (TF commander) comes on set date.
I dont know if Adm is dependent on Cpt (What if Cpt dies? does Adm comes in spite of it?)

[cyberwop36]

ORIGINAL: msieving1

ORIGINAL: cyberwop36

I'll modify my statement. I'm playing stock 42A and RADM Mitscher began as a CV commander, only selectable as a individual ship commander. Now in early 44 he is not on a list to be assign as a CV commander. But if I form any TF, even a MSW or a all AK tf in San Francisco he selectable as the TF commander if he is not already at sea. He has changed lists.

But he did begin the scenario as a RADM.

BTW, great tip on ship selection order. Now I can choose which CV or which highest class is the flag. I always ASSUMED it was random. At least in stock it's not.

In the stock 42A scenario, Mitscher is a Rear Admiral and Task Force commander. That's how he starts and that's how he stays. At the start of the game, he is in command of Hornet, but if you replace him in that position you won't be able to put him in command of another ship.

In the stock scenarios that start in December 1941, Mitscher is a Captain and ship commander. You can't make him a task force commander unless he is captain of the task force flagship.

Hold on a second. To beat a dead horse and not that it really matters, but... If RADM Mitscher begins the game as a CV commander. The listed commander of the Hornet on the individual ship info screen. And if you replace him as ships captian he gets PROMOTED to the TF commander list and can't never be a individual ship commander again. Then to say "that's how he starts and that's how he stays" makes no sense.

It might be more accurate to say RADM Mitscher's promotion is hard wired into the game so when you replace him he moves up to the TF commander list.

I didn't lose the Hornet, and I really doubt I replaced him but I have him now as a TF commander.

And back to the stated question of the thread. Yes at least one guy gets promoted in stock.