Keeping the best - a feature discussion

Fans of the old Panzer General series rejoice for the release of Panzer Corps. Following in the footsteps of the popular SSI masterpiece and sharing with the General series the same level of engagement and strategic depth, Panzer Corps will keep an unmistakable "PG feeling" whilst improving and refining the gameplay and balance. Panzer Corps will feature 26 scenarios on 21 unique maps, covering most major battles of the European Theatre of World War II and including a few hypothetical 'what if' scenarios based on your actions. Now expanded with a full-war mega-campaign and the Afrika Corps and Allied Corps releases!

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It´s great to see that PG is being reborn in a format "true to the original". So, to get the forum going, what parts of PG1 does everyone think will stand the test of time? What parts of PG2+ should be allowed to influence Panzer Corps? Here is my take:

Core concepts that should not be changed (in my very humble opinion):

- The scale should be variable, not fixed, with a bias towards "larger" scenario scopes (not necessarily large scenario sizes - it´s important to keep narrative flow going). People want to feel that they are impacting history, directing grand sweeps, etc.

- One unit per hex. Nuff said. Not worried about this one though.

- Snappy, responsive interface. Really important for the "feel" of the game.

- The PG1 naval / air system.

Concepts from AG and onwards (and other games) that could enhance the PG1 experience:

- Leaders. One of the best concepts from PG2. Preferably handled with little randomness (you get a fixed number throughout the campaign, plus perhaps an extra one for good performance). Adds a little RPG flair to the game, that personalizes your army and makes you feel more "powerful", always a good thing in these games.

- Some limits on equipment availability. We all love our all-King-Tiger army, but it feels more satisfying if you build it over time, instead of just going to town on the shopping as soon as the "available" status on a piece of equipment turns on. Also gives the game a (slightly) more "real" feel. Don´t laugh. ;)

- Unit upgrades. People´s general made it possible to "pimp" your units a little extra, which made for good fun, and a more personalized army. Also, the ability to buy experience for new units with prestige meant that losing units later in the campaign was not an automatic case of "reload last save".

- Keeping the number of "core units" a bit lower than PG. A somewhat smaller core army with more customization options is preferable to having the sometimes unwieldy core army sizes of PG, imho.

- Tactical battles. The player should be able to play out all battles either as tactical engagements in the Close Combat engine, alternatively as a single soldier in the Call of Duty World at War engine. This makes the player connect with the action in a completely new way! The orignal Panzer General really limited the player in this regard, forcing him to focus on the strategic layer, instead of shooting his enemy in the face up close and personal.
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The player should be able to play out all battles either as tactical engagements in the Close Combat engine, alternatively as a single soldier in the Call of Duty World at War engine.

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ORIGINAL: Lukas
The player should be able to play out all battles either as tactical engagements in the Close Combat engine, alternatively as a single soldier in the Call of Duty World at War engine.

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Put that in there to check whether people would read it all the way through. [:D]
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It was good for a laugh, nice points though.
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Great initiative! I won't interfere in the discussion for a while, so that we can get more fresh opinions, but I'll keep watching this topic closely.
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The orignal Panzer General really limited the player in this regard, forcing him to focus on the strategic layer, instead of shooting his enemy in the face up close and personal.

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If the campaign leads your forces into the Balkans or especially North Africa, I think the equipment upgrades should be for more mediocre stuff. The Germans funneled all their old Mark III's to North Africa and their better stuff to the Russian front. A Mark III in North Africa was okay, but sort of crummy on the Eastern front.
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Would like to see one abuse or cheat corrected...(I am guilty of doing it myself)....The old launching a paratrooper strike deep into enemy territory capturing a town and then "building" new armor/infantry/ and or artillery units on that site...Please correct this problem if you can....
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^ Awww man, I liked that feature...[;)]
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ORIGINAL: dobeln
- Tactical battles. The player should be able to play out all battles either as tactical engagements in the Close Combat engine, alternatively as a single soldier in the Call of Duty World at War engine. This makes the player connect with the action in a completely new way! The orignal Panzer General really limited the player in this regard, forcing him to focus on the strategic layer, instead of shooting his enemy in the face up close and personal.

Please don't do this.
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ORIGINAL: jomni

ORIGINAL: dobeln
- Tactical battles. The player should be able to play out all battles either as tactical engagements in the Close Combat engine, alternatively as a single soldier in the Call of Duty World at War engine. This makes the player connect with the action in a completely new way! The orignal Panzer General really limited the player in this regard, forcing him to focus on the strategic layer, instead of shooting his enemy in the face up close and personal.

Please don't do this.

Again, just to be totally clear, that was a joke! [8D]
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What kind of system requirements are we looking at for this game? I doubt we will need Crysis hardware, but will it require something more modern that is powerful?
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ORIGINAL: dobeln

It´s great to see that PG is being reborn in a format "true to the original". So, to get the forum going, what parts of PG1 does everyone think will stand the test of time? What parts of PG2+ should be allowed to influence Panzer Corps? Here is my take:

Core concepts that should not be changed (in my very humble opinion):

- The scale should be variable, not fixed, with a bias towards "larger" scenario scopes (not necessarily large scenario sizes - it´s important to keep narrative flow going). People want to feel that they are impacting history, directing grand sweeps, etc.

- One unit per hex. Nuff said. Not worried about this one though.

- Snappy, responsive interface. Really important for the "feel" of the game.

- The PG1 naval / air system.

*********Agree with all of those!



Concepts from AG and onwards (and other games) that could enhance the PG1 experience:

- Leaders. One of the best concepts from PG2. Preferably handled with little randomness (you get a fixed number throughout the campaign, plus perhaps an extra one for good performance). Adds a little RPG flair to the game, that personalizes your army and makes you feel more "powerful", always a good thing in these games.

**********Could be a good addition as long as not too overpowing, also leaders should be vulnerable to DEATH:)

- Some limits on equipment availability. We all love our all-King-Tiger army, but it feels more satisfying if you build it over time, instead of just going to town on the shopping as soon as the "available" status on a piece of equipment turns on. Also gives the game a (slightly) more "real" feel. Don´t laugh. ;)

**********Disagree The game always rewarded a good combined arms aproach , however if you wanted to go 'air heavy" or "tank heavy" you had the freedom to do so, with all the risks/rewards . Also , if you bought all tigers , my experiance was the same turn you decide to ammo and fuel up your tigers, the rainy season would hit grinding your advance to a stuttering halt, then the ai would always counter attack your fuel-less ammo-less tanks. Hopefully the same balance is given to the oiginal game regarding the combat power of certain later era tanks vs the amt of ammo/fuel/speed of those units.

- Unit upgrades. People´s general made it possible to "pimp" your units a little extra, which made for good fun, and a more personalized army. Also, the ability to buy experience for new units with prestige meant that losing units later in the campaign was not an automatic case of "reload last save".

***********No issue with the pimpin but disagree on purchasing "experinced units" I felt that feature was a step back for PG2 and Peoples General. Nurturing a tank or fighter up to 5 stars thruout the campaign and then LOSINg such a unit was not only a bummer but could severly hinder further battles.. Just like real life there no replacing your elite veterans.

- Keeping the number of "core units" a bit lower than PG. A somewhat smaller core army with more customization options is preferable to having the sometimes unwieldy core army sizes of PG, imho.


**********Not sure about this, I nver though the armies got too big, plus some of the maps in PG were huge!

- Tactical battles. The player should be able to play out all battles either as tactical engagements in the Close Combat engine, alternatively as a single soldier in the Call of Duty World at War engine. This makes the player connect with the action in a completely new way! The orignal Panzer General really limited the player in this regard, forcing him to focus on the strategic layer, instead of shooting his enemy in the face up close and personal.

****LOL
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One thing I liked about "Prestige Points" in PG was that you not only used them to buy equipment upgrades or new units, but on rare occasions, scenario-permitting, you could use it to steer through the campaign tree. An example would be, after the fall of France, going to a Sea Lion scenario instead of the Balkans. Or, on the Eastern front, attacking Moscow early instead of going to the Kiev scenario.

These options might cost you 700 Prestige Points or something, but basically represent you using up your "pull" or "favors" to steer the war down a more aggressive and risky path.

Regardless of how they do it, I am heartened the game appears to be going down a semi-dynamic campaign pathing, allowing for defeats or victories to shift the war into different directions. This will add much replay value.
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Let's hope that the American, British, Russian, and Free French sides are playable as well. Also, would hope that the British and American campaigns, if any, have some action in North Africa. (I was very disappointed in PG2 having the Americans and British start in Italy, halfway through the war.)

Also, on a side topic, a Stalingrad scenario, if it goes badly, should have the Germans bottled up in the city with a chance the player could lose all of his units if he doesn't break out. Same with Tunisia, for really incompetent gameplay.
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ORIGINAL: Texican

One thing I liked about "Prestige Points" in PG was that you not only used them to buy equipment upgrades or new units, but on rare occasions, scenario-permitting, you could use it to steer through the campaign tree. An example would be, after the fall of France, going to a Sea Lion scenario instead of the Balkans. Or, on the Eastern front, attacking Moscow early instead of going to the Kiev scenario.

These options might cost you 700 Prestige Points or something, but basically represent you using up your "pull" or "favors" to steer the war down a more aggressive and risky path.

Regardless of how they do it, I am heartened the game appears to be going down a semi-dynamic campaign pathing, allowing for defeats or victories to shift the war into different directions. This will add much replay value.


That was a great feature of the original, I think the biggest "steer" was if you did really well in the France battles you had 2 choices for Sealion A take 20000 prestige points to beef up your core forces or B, forgoe that and get a mere 5k but get use of the Italian navy for crossing the channel....
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Let's hope that the American, British, Russian, and Free French sides are playable as well. Also, would hope that the British and American campaigns, if any, have some action in North Africa. (I was very disappointed in PG2 having the Americans and British start in Italy, halfway through the war.)

The first PzC release is totally focused on the Germans and the Axis forces, a focused Allied PzC will follow later and than probably going into the Pacific...


Cheers,

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Please have the German commander voice over when he hands you your mission assignment. That was very cool in PG1, AG, and PG2.
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We prefer German spoken commands as well... :-)
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ORIGINAL: Lord Zimoa

We prefer German spoken commands as well... :-)

I was thinking more like Colonel Klink.
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My enlgish not very good so I sorry. I see this game play like panzer generel and call of duty! I am very excited to here this news! This seems difficult to do so good luck! I will buy all version of panzer corp if it like panzer generel and call of duty!
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