Turkey surrender

[lettowvorbeck]

How is Turkey's territory carved up if they surrender to the Entente during the game?

[SMK-at-work]

The British and/or French get all the mid East & Iraq up to the rough hexes at the bottom of the Tarsus mountains - they remain Turkish (edit - that is the mountains remain Turkish).

The Russians get all the Caucasus.

All the rest, including the European part, remains Turkish, and becomes impassable and neutral.

[lettowvorbeck]

thanks!

[SMK-at-work]

oh and 1 other thing - I think you can send food, etc to Russia through Sevastopol & place transports in the Black Sea for that purpose - I did station warships there when Istanbul was captured before surrender but didn't check after.

[Skanvak]

Ah yes, the Surrender, rules.

I guess the units are still teleported by magic to stupid place. I hate the Austiran surrender that prevent me to reach Berlin, silly really.

[SMK-at-work]

IIRC when Austria surrenders the allies get free movement through it - although it's been a few months since I saw it happen.

Remember this isn't WW2 - surrender here is generally at a lot lower threshold than the Third Reich managed, and involves some quite different rules that hark back more to he Napoleonic era than the rest of the 20th century - it isn't unconditional for starters - have a look at the Rumanian "surrender" document, the Treaty of Bucharest,  at http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/routreat.html - they got to keep troops under arms, appoint civil servants in the occupied areas, run civil courts, and generally start returning to peace time conditions.

Except of course the occuoied areas remained occupied until all the territorial cessations were completed and had control of the railways & transportation within the occupied areas.

By standards later in the century it was all very civilised!

I see no reason why a surrender of Austria-Hungary would be any more onerous.

The main problem with surrender in GoA is that the minor powers surrender when their associated major powers have not - Serbia and Belgium never surrendered, despite 100% occupation of the former and about 99% of the later.  Rumania only surrendered after the Russians signed the treaty of Brest Litovsk.

Each of these 3 nations maintained large armies long after most or all of their territories were occupied.

[Skanvak]

This is simple : strategic value.

The German have plan to invade Austria if it surrender, making it a battlefield immediatly. It is frequent to ask for passage or limited occupation (ex : France in 1940, thas is not that far in time) in order to continue the war against your ennemy.

My other point is about teleportation. I just hate instant teleportation, at least they could go in a strategic pool to be redeploy were you want, because having my english besieging Vienna be teleported to middle East was just not the most sensible think I was expected.

[SMK-at-work]

lol - yeah that's quite a long way!   I think Frank has built it so that troops are shifted within the same areas as, say, aircraft can be deployed in or something like that - so where some troops count as in the "Balkans", but others right next to then are in the East, they would go to completely different areas - some to Russia, some to Greece, for example, just because they are on different sides of that line.