Why play in 2D, try 3D

Bonzai Bob · Post by **Bonzai Bob** » Mon Sep 25, 2000 12:32 am

Hi there
While waiting for my download I discovered an AWESOME demo. Combat Mission, at www.battlefront.com a very small download of 30MB gets you 2 scenarios of US vs Germans. Try it out I promise your eyes will pop out. Now turn up the speakers and happy hunting.

Drake · Post by **Drake** » Mon Sep 25, 2000 12:47 am

To each his own. I have no use at all for 3D game. Find most of them really lame.

David Heath · Post by **David Heath** » Mon Sep 25, 2000 1:44 am

Combat Mission is a great game.... its on a different scale but worth the look.

David

Cardinal Fang · Post by **Cardinal Fang** » Mon Sep 25, 2000 2:22 am

Different strokes for different folks.
I enjoy BOTH games. I've always been a fan of the Steel Panthers series. I bought Combat Mission after I picked my jaw up off the floor from playing the demo.

The one I play at any given time depends on my mood. I know that both will find room on my hard drive for a long time.

Cardinal Fang
Nobody Expects The Spanish Inquisition!

BomBeer · Post by **BomBeer** » Mon Sep 25, 2000 3:04 am

CM's a good game. Drake its not like Quake or Unreal. Its turn based using the We-go system. The graphics and sounds are BMP & wave files so there are lots of mods (improved graphics and sounds) to download.
Don't let the 3D fool ya its a wargame all the way.

BomBeer

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Mon Sep 25, 2000 3:23 am

CM is indeed a great game, with a completely different approach from SP.

Both are great games and both should be enjoyed.

Wild Bill

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Matrix Games

Rhone · Post by **Rhone** » Mon Sep 25, 2000 4:06 am

I find that 3d games come in handy when I want....((drumroll please)).......3d!!!! Thanks, thaks very much, I'll be here all week.....

Graf Speer · Post by **Graf Speer** » Mon Sep 25, 2000 4:48 am

Why not?

Well, because I, for one, have become saturated and disappointed with eye-candy for eye-candy's sake. And it's far more essential to me to find an intelligent, well conceived and consistently applied game routine. While it shouldn't matter if it be 2D or 3D, candidly speaking, 3D is still somewhat primitive and imperfect as it tends to fuzz out - the closer you look, and yes, I still simply prefer a good game in 2D like our SPWAW and Diablo II (alao being 2D) still proves quite pleasant to the eyes . . . I can and will hereafter . . . live to play . . . without the 'hype'

Albert

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Tom_Davie · Post by **Tom_Davie** » Mon Sep 25, 2000 4:58 am

For what it's worth, I prefer 2d exclusively over 3d. I'm not saying that 3d is wrong for anyone else, but I *HATE* it with a passion. That having been said, there's Close Combat and Steel Panthers. Since I prefer turn based over continous action, I end up playing Steel Panthers more.

Tom

I might end up buying CC5, and perhaps Freedom Ridge (one is WW2, the other turn based squad/individual man level).

Tom

Bonzai Bob · Post by **Bonzai Bob** » Mon Sep 25, 2000 7:51 am

Well, didn't know I'd spark a fire. Just was sharing what I felt is a good game. Both have been etched to my hard drive forever. For those that say 3D is "fuzzy" or is a continues real time CM is turn base and uses a plot orders then see what happens. give it a try. SP and CM are great games. Hats off to both games. See ya all in the online rooms soon, when I get cocky from fraggin the 'puter and need real foes. Happy hunting all.

Grisha · Post by **Grisha** » Mon Sep 25, 2000 8:22 am

Actually, I like both games. One's in 2D, the other, 3D. SPWAW offers for a larger scale, and (for now) encompasses a larger number of combatant nations, and theaters. CM really does a great job simulating tactical WWII combat, and enhances it with the 3D environment. So, bravo! to both

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Mon Sep 25, 2000 8:01 pm

You did nothing wrong, Bob. Your comments and observations are welcome. I worked on CM for 18 months on their alpha and beta teams. In fact, I was in charge of the scenario design team. A number of my scenarios are on their CD.

I still actively support the game.

So no problem. Don't feel badly about mentioning it here. We do support that game with two web sites at The Gamers Net.

Boots N' Tracks on the RAider Page
http://wbr.thegamers.net (then click on Boots N Tracks)

Combat Mission HQ
http://combathq.thegamers.net

Pay them a visit.

Wild Bill

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Wild Bill Wilder
Coordinator, Scenario Design
Matrix Games

Graf Speer · Post by **Graf Speer** » Mon Sep 25, 2000 8:31 pm

For those that say 3D is "fuzzy" or is a continues real time CM is turn base and uses a plot orders then see what happens. give it a try.

That's better, Bob

IOW's, the original topic claim was "why play 2D" . . . especially when we can have 3D . . . which you now thoughtfully support with some concrete play example and may not, afterall, be so dependent on just "eye-ball" subjectivity

Again, I don't care much about the 2D vs 3D 'controversy'

at this point as much as I simply care about finding a game that offers a plethora of options and challenging replay.

Perhaps, bottom line to your original notion of "why 2D" is that if someone decided to make Steel Panthers 3D, I would not be moved in the least, unless it offered more options, more replay challenges.

Still holding out for 4D games, maybe
Albert

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Fuerte · Post by **Fuerte** » Mon Sep 25, 2000 11:20 pm

CM and SPWAW are both great games. While I think that CM is superior in many respects (no bugs!), I have played SPWAW a lot more recently.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Mon Sep 25, 2000 11:55 pm

Here again, the major quality of SP series shines through: it's versatility. Now with all the upgrades in the game and the ability to recreate so many situations, battles, etc (which you cannot do in CM - Only Western Europe June 44-May 45)I tend to think that this versatility gives SP the edge.

Graphics are important to me. But how the game plays and what I can do with it is even more important.

Just as anything else, new car, new suit, new house, I want it to look good, but I want it to have some versatility. SP does offer a lot of that.

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Wild Bill Wilder
Coordinator, Scenario Design
Matrix Games

Grisha · Post by **Grisha** » Tue Sep 26, 2000 12:46 am

I agree, Wild Bill.

nick0man · Post by **nick0man** » Tue Sep 26, 2000 3:20 am

As if things could get any better,
two especially fine games for the
price of one. I play them more than I should
can't help my self.

hope to put out a battle set up as told to me by a WWII Vet that was part of the battle of the Bulge,155 mm field gun crew,in suport of patton's 3 rd. anyway having fun with SPWAW and CM....

nick

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Paul Saunders · Post by **Paul Saunders** » Tue Sep 26, 2000 11:09 am

Originally posted by Graf Speer:

Still holding out for 4D games,

What? You mean being able to travel back in time if things turn out badly?

We've already got that option, it's called the save button.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Tue Sep 26, 2000 11:09 am

Bring it on, NickOman, we are always ready for a good fight (er...scenario that is!)

Wild Bill

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Wild Bill Wilder
Coordinator, Scenario Design
Matrix Games