Jutland by Norm Kroger

Lobster · Post by **Lobster** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 10:51 am

Norm Kroger's RTS 3d game Jutland published by Storm Eagle Studios is badly broken and basically forgotten by Norm and SES. This would be a really great game for someone to pick up and fix. I don't suppose there's any chance Matrix would have any interest in this title?

Aurelian · Post by **Aurelian** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:59 pm

That's why I will no longer buy his games.

CarnageINC · Post by **CarnageINC** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:32 am

I agree, the amount his games go for versus what you get is ridiculous.

Aurelian · Post by **Aurelian** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:35 am

The last patch broke Jutland I'm told. What a waste of money it turned out to be..................

Steam and Iron IMHO is better all around.

Terminus · Post by **Terminus** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:24 am

I'm surprised that Storm Eagle Studios is still around.

Alchenar · Post by **Alchenar** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:18 pm

Just get Rule the Waves if you want a dreadnaught wargame. It's so simple and beautiful nothing's ever really going to beat it.

Curtis Lemay · Post by **Curtis Lemay** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:54 pm

Just for the record, the guy's name is Koger, not Kroger.

Yogi the Great · Post by **Yogi the Great** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:39 pm

You could try Tiller Jutland

Aurelian · Post by **Aurelian** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:45 pm

ORIGINAL: Yogi the Great

You could try Tiller Jutland

I did. It was the first game that I ever shot holes through.

ezzler · Post by **ezzler** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:18 pm

Rule the waves is great - Matrix could do great things with that kind of game.

OldSarge · Post by **OldSarge** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:29 pm

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

ORIGINAL: Yogi the Great

You could try Tiller Jutland

I did. It was the first game that I ever shot holes through.

Same here, except I use the CD as a coaster for my beer. [8D]

Steam and Iron is far better, especially with the campaign expansion. I just finished up an RJW campaign, and it was great! The chance encounters, the missed opportunities, due to weather.

I've been eyeing Rule The Waves, probably mske a nice holiday purchase.

As for SES, I purchased their first title "Distant Guns" in spite of misgivings about their draconian DRM. Initially, their support was great but it started going downhill for a variety of reasons. When they announced Jutland I decided I would sit and wait. It is a shame really, because the game has very well thought out ballistic and ship models.

Aurelian · Post by **Aurelian** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 2:39 am

ORIGINAL: OldSarge

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

ORIGINAL: Yogi the Great

You could try Tiller Jutland

I did. It was the first game that I ever shot holes through.

Same here, except I use the CD as a coaster for my beer. [8D]

Steam and Iron is far better, especially with the campaign expansion. I just finished up an RJW campaign, and it was great! The chance encounters, the missed opportunities, due to weather.

I've been eyeing Rule The Waves, probably mske a nice holiday purchase.

As for SES, I purchased their first title "Distant Guns" in spite of misgivings about their draconian DRM. Initially, their support was great but it started going downhill for a variety of reasons. When they announced Jutland I decided I would sit and wait. It is a shame really, because the game has very well thought out ballistic and ship models.

I have SAI and the campaign. (Something SES said they couldn't do...)
RTW is on the list.

Jutland was a lot of fun, but the last "patch" killed it. No way to roll it back, and the official forum is more a zombie site now. So glad I didn't buy the two packs...

Mobius · Post by **Mobius** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:50 am

I have all the ship data and gun data. We can gut it but keep the graphics and animations and call it Panzer Command at Sea.[:D]

rhondabrwn · Post by **rhondabrwn** » Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:31 pm

They obviously made some kind of effort to let customers play the game when Storm Eagle sold out to Strategy First or whoever is running the store on their old site now. The status of my copy of Jutland is shown on the "My Games" tab and it shows "offline capable" but I have had no success trying to get Jutland to run. It just kicks me back to the storefront.

Initially there was a message about recovering my serial number if needed, but haven't seen that after the first try. Then there was a download window for a patch that bombed out twice with an error message and I haven't seen that since the 3rd or 4th try at running the game. Now I get nothing but a trip to the storefront. I note that they are still offering the game for sale though.

Very disturbing. This is my second recent experience with orphan games dependent on online activation. The first was Nitro Game's East India Company and now Jutland. I think the harbingers of doom warning about the dangers of downloaded games and online activations are being proven right

I think I am only going to buy the Matrix/Slitherine versions from now on and not Steam versions. I can count on my old HPS and Matrix/Slitherine/AGEOD games to work if Steam ever blows up.

I have enough games anyway.

Hertston · Post by **Hertston** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:28 pm

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

They obviously made some kind of effort to let customers play the game when Storm Eagle sold out to Strategy First or whoever is running the store on their old site now. The status of my copy of Jutland is shown on the "My Games" tab and it shows "offline capable" but I have had no success trying to get Jutland to run. It just kicks me back to the storefront.

I may be wrong as I haven't had it installed for years, but I seem to recall that change was made when SES revamped Stormpowered sometime prior to the 'patch' everyone seems to be complaining about, and before Norm and Jim jumped ship. I remember the revamp because it was accompanied by a quite ludicrous and unintentionally hilarious on-site article trying to convince punters Stormpowered was some vastly preferable alternative to Steam. [8|]

God only knows why the site is still up. If the store actually works I can only suggest folks avoid like the plague as everything bar the now abandoned SES stuff is available elsewhere for a quarter of their prices.

rhondabrwn · Post by **rhondabrwn** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:10 pm

ORIGINAL: Hertston

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

They obviously made some kind of effort to let customers play the game when Storm Eagle sold out to Strategy First or whoever is running the store on their old site now. The status of my copy of Jutland is shown on the "My Games" tab and it shows "offline capable" but I have had no success trying to get Jutland to run. It just kicks me back to the storefront.

I may be wrong as I haven't had it installed for years, but I seem to recall that change was made when SES revamped Stormpowered sometime prior to the 'patch' everyone seems to be complaining about, and before Norm and Jim jumped ship. I remember the revamp because it was accompanied by a quite ludicrous and unintentionally hilarious on-site article trying to convince punters Stormpowered was some vastly preferable alternative to Steam. [8|]

God only knows why the site is still up. If the store actually works I can only suggest folks avoid like the plague as everything bar the now abandoned SES stuff is available elsewhere for a quarter of their prices.

Definitely good advice! Stay far away!

ETF · Post by **ETF** » Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:37 pm

I found before the last patch Norm's JUTLAND by storm studios was one of the best wargames have ever played. With friends, we played the whole battle of Jutland together 3 vs 3. Multiple command and divisions. Amazing graphics fighting it from god view or from the decks and where in between. Wow never seen anything like it in my 30 years of tactical wargaming. The battles went very realistically according to our results compared to history. RTW is nice indeed. But is has graphics from the previous century and has lots of spreadsheets. It would be amazing to combine the two.

elxaime · Post by **elxaime** » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:10 pm

Just curious, is the CMANO engine adaptable to the Dreadnought era? That seems a possibility, simply use that system.

Capitaine · Post by **Capitaine** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:03 am

ORIGINAL: ETF

I found before the last patch Norm's JUTLAND by storm studios was one of the best wargames have ever played. With friends, we played the whole battle of Jutland together 3 vs 3. Multiple command and divisions. Amazing graphics fighting it from god view or from the decks and where in between. Wow never seen anything like it in my 30 years of tactical wargaming. The battles went very realistically according to our results compared to history. RTW is nice indeed. But is has graphics from the previous century and has lots of spreadsheets. It would be amazing to combine the two.

If Norm would ever put his game on, say, Steam, I'd be lined up to buy it. It's like some kind of weird loyalty test to trust SturmAdler's wacky set up, which doesn't engender confidence. I'm a HUGE WWI naval fan, but I don't need any game that much.

wodin · Post by **wodin** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:15 pm

ORIGINAL: Alchenar

Just get Rule the Waves if you want a dreadnaught wargame. It's so simple and beautiful nothing's ever really going to beat it.

I agree. Or wait for the new game coming out, which will have aircraft carriers etc!!

Steam and Iron and Rule the Waves are superb examples of gameplay over graphics!! Sparse graphics yet so immersive.

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