Ready for refund

[DorianGray]

Sorry guys, but WiTE2 is just a qualified mess.

Doing simple things like:

1. Scrolling the map;
2. Hiding all the aircraft clutter;
3. Font Adjustment;
4. SU assignment;
5. Air Recon missions;
6. Airbase assault missions;
7. ...

are either completely absent or simply a pain to do now.

Even the non-playable intro movies from WiTE were carried over and not fixed for WiTE2. Seriously?

This is even before delving into the technical aspects of the game....

Just let me have my $70+ back and you can have your game until it is really complete and ready for the masses... maybe a year or two. I have no interest in beta testing or an early access release and thought it was a finished product.

Best of luck to you guys.

[GBoggon]

Have you tried Risk ?

[coolts]

2. Hiding all the aircraft clutter;

Press "A"

[Zovs]

1. Use the mouse, whatever direction you point your mouse towards the map scrolls, alternatively use the arrow keys, moves the map the same way.
2. Press 'a', but it looks like you have not even pressed F12 to run the air execution phase to move on to the ground phase.
3. You can change all the fonts to your liking, see my post in https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4988051
4. You can do it manually or automatically. Suggest you read the manual, it's pretty easy both ways.
5. Really easy to setup, you should read the manual or read what others have posted.
6. There is no mission called airbase assault, your probably referring to ground attack which you can setup to attack airfields.
7. I am guessing that your post is a joke and your just being silly, if not then you either really don't understand how war games work or your being a troll

Suggest you read the manual and read other posts here and actually ask legitimate questions on how to do things rather than post some like this.

[Bamilus]

I think you're ready for the manual instead of a refund.

[Denniss]

RTFM - (just 4 letters required to answer this)

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: Denniss

RTFM - (just 4 letters required to answer this)

This. This. And more of this.

It isn't a beer and pretzel game, DorianGray.

[Slush]

Obviously, the OP is a bit dramatic.

But - and here it comes - even though I love WitE2 to bits and had my fair share of fun with WitE1 and WitW, I think it's fair to say that much of the initial gameplay revolves around fighting the UI instead of the AI. A lot of thought has evidently gone into the game, the research, the rules. Sometimes, in the dark of night, I wish that just a little bit of it had gone into a UI built upon long-established standards for user interfaces.

Just one example. The CR - that wonderful tool with it's weird layers of buttons. Why on earth can't I shift/CTRL select multiple units and right-click for actions? That would be a massive quality of life improvement.

So, yeah, drama queen. But a drama queen with a bit of a point.

Anyway, back to planning the defence of Smolensk.

Rgds, Slush

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

ORIGINAL: Denniss

RTFM - (just 4 letters required to answer this)

This. This. And more of this.

It isn't a beer and pretzel game, DorianGray.

“You can’t teach people to be lazy – either they have it, or they don’t.”- Dagwood Bumstead

This is what I thought when I saw the original first post of this thread.

[Karri]

ORIGINAL: Slush

Obviously, the OP is a bit dramatic.

But - and here it comes - even though I love WitE2 to bits and had my fair share of fun with WitE1 and WitW, I think it's fair to say that much of the initial gameplay revolves around fighting the UI instead of the AI. A lot of thought has evidently gone into the game, the research, the rules. Sometimes, in the dark of night, I wish that just a little bit of it had gone into a UI built upon long-established standards for user interfaces.

Just one example. The CR - that wonderful tool with it's weird layers of buttons. Why on earth can't I shift/CTRL select multiple units and right-click for actions? That would be a massive quality of life improvement.

So, yeah, drama queen. But a drama queen with a bit of a point.

Anyway, back to planning the defence of Smolensk.

Rgds, Slush

The designers and the core player base are...well, how would I put this...old. Very old. They love taking their time to do stuff. It really shows in a lot of the actions you need to take. Some of them don't even move the counters before they've read the entire unit history by at least three different publishers.

"You're just lazy"

No grandpa, I just happen to know that with a big of UI design it's possible to do this task with two clicks instead of the thousands clicks it takes now.

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

“You can’t teach people to be lazy – either they have it, or they don’t.”- Dagwood Bumstead

This is what I thought when I saw the original first post of this thread.

“I will always choose a lazy person to do a difficult job because a lazy person will find an easy way to do it.”

[Bamilus]

I'm 31 and been playing wargames since i was 10. Speak for yourself. And no one is saying they enjoy the spreadsheet UI. But they've made improvements and continue to do so.

The problem is people play this game and expect it be beer and pretzels like HOI or SC. Its not. I don't play World in Flames board game. Why? Too much time and detail. But I don't criticize it for those reasons because I get not every game is going to be a 3 hour one setting play a la Risk. There's lots of things WITE2 can improve but everything OP posted is just false.

[Karri]

ORIGINAL: Bamilus

I'm 31 and been playing wargames since i was 10. Speak for yourself. And no one is saying they enjoy the spreadsheet UI. But theyve made improvements and continue to do so.

I like the game, but I think the fanboys are so forgiving simply because there is no other option in the genre. WitE 2 is the first time I've opened a manual in like 15 years.

The problem is people play this game and expect it be beer and pretzels like HOI or SC. Its not. I dont pkay World in Flames board game. Why? Too nuch time and detail. But I dont criticize it for those reasoms because I get not every game is going to be a 3 hour one setting play a la Risk. Theres lots of things WITE2 can improve but everything OP posted is just false.

The aiirwar is a pain in the ass, and comes with tons of settings that are completely useless. They should have taken a more beer and pretzel approach, rather than allowing you to select loadouts and altitudes. Not to mention the support unit assignment, which definitely needs a rework. Like I said, if you like taking your time tinkering around with every little bit of detail, then you probably don't mind those things. But I just want to add a pioneer battalion to my infantry division without having to browse through commanders report for half an hour...

[Bamilus]

ORIGINAL: Karri

ORIGINAL: Bamilus

I'm 31 and been playing wargames since i was 10. Speak for yourself. And no one is saying they enjoy the spreadsheet UI. But theyve made improvements and continue to do so.

I like the game, but I think the fanboys are so forgiving simply because there is no other option in the genre. WitE 2 is the first time I've opened a manual in like 15 years.

I don't think anyone is forgiving. The game gets shit on like no other, it's hilarious. People criticize because it's not beer and pretzels and then people criticize because they have one unit who has like 30 less men than historically, or the freight is off by 5 tons in one city. So you really can't appease anyone because half the pop wants the game to be HOI where you literally just let the AI do everything and don't play, or they want it to be The Campaign for North Africa and make the game take 10,000 hours to play.

The aiirwar is a pain in the ass, and comes with tons of settings that are completely useless. They should have taken a more beer and pretzel approach, rather than allowing you to select loadouts and altitudes. Not to mention the support unit assignment, which definitely needs a rework. Like I said, if you like taking your time tinkering around with every little bit of detail, then you probably don't mind those things. But I just want to add a pioneer battalion to my infantry division without having to browse through commanders report for half an hour...

I do manual air war, don't mess with loadouts, don't mess with CR (other than 1m a turn, tops) and get good results. So, have to disagree there tbh. Plus you can literally pass that all to the AI if you desire or do a hybrid. Loadouts/altitude/upgrades are all set to auto by default. You don't have to mess with that unless you want to.

[Karri]

ORIGINAL: Bamilus

I don't think anyone is forgiving. The game gets shit on like no other, it's hilarious. People criticize because it's not beer and pretzels and then people criticize because they have one unit who has like 30 less men than historically, or the freight is off by 5 tons in one city. So you really can't appease anyone because half the pop wants the game to be HOI where you literally just let the AI do everything and don't play, or they want it to be The Campaign for North Africa and make the game take 10,000 hours to play.

When the answer is "you're lazy" and "mod it yourself" and "read the manual", it kinda is forgiving. The game definitely doesn't get shit on at all...or at least I haven't noticed it. No one has even brought up the AI yet...

I do manual air war, don't mess with loadouts, don't mess with CR (other than 1m a turn, tops) and get good results. So, have to disagree there tbh. Plus you can literally pass that all to the AI if you desire or do a hybrid. Loadouts/altitude/upgrades are all set to auto by default. You don't have to mess with that unless you want to.

And if I pass it to the AI, what happens? How come I cannot select the parameters that the Air Assist works with? For example, say I only want it to create recon missions. Or I want it to only move the planes forwards. At its current state, the game has a lot of things happening that you know absolutely nothing about. There's a disconnect that will probably be fixed in time.

And who does mess with loaudouts? It's exactly what I am saying, a completely unnecessary level of detail that simply complicates things. It's not a beer and pretzels game, but it could be.

Say, if you want to check your fighter coverage along the whole front, what are you going to do? The team has added gigantic amount of information for the player, but the tools to use that information are still missing. It's like running Google with punch cards at times...

[Bamilus]

You can change the parameters the AI air works with, it's called air doctrines.

Also, if you don't have AI assist button set on game options then you can always manually press AI Air button and then make tweaks after, before end of turn.

The reason why people say "read the manual" is because it is a complex game, and everything OP stated are very easily answered by the manual. It's unfair for me to bust out World in Flames on my 8x10 foot table and then complain because it's not Risk and I have to actually understand the game to play.

Yes, WITE2 can show data better. Yes, it's has errors and bugs. But there's a difference between that and just asking for it to be Strategic Command or HOI. It's not, nor will it ever be, just like A3R, Totaler Krieg, and World in Flames will never be Risk, nor should they.

EDIT: To answer your edit, to see fighter coverage you select "Rng Circles" on any air fleet/air command/air group/air unit card, or (I believe, off top my head) you can also do it via right click map pop-up menu. Shows you the range and the name of the unit on the range, so you can clearly, easily, and visually see what your fighter range is.

[Numdydar]

I find this thread pretty funny.

I cannot even play the game due the font sizes and zoom levels not readable for me. I have to wait until this is fixed which is likely to take a month at least. At least you can play the game [:)]

[Bamilus]

I mean there's always going to be people with technical issues, but I have no issue with DPI scaling. A lot of that is hardware. Not saying your issue isn't legit, but there's people every day that have issues with Windows 10 and Iphones. Firmware/drivers/hardware compatibility is always an issue.

[Numdydar]

ORIGINAL: Bamilus

I mean there's always going to be people with technical issues, but I have no issue with DPI scaling. A lot of that is hardware. Not saying your issue isn't legit, but there's people every day that have issues with Windows 10 and Iphones. Firmware/drivers/hardware compatibility is always an issue.

I have three personal PCs at home (don't ask lol) and I tested the game on all of them with all the various setting suggested by Joel/Erik. Only on one of these would I consider the game playable using the System Enhanced setting.

So two PCs out of three the games was unplayable and the third had to be 'hacked' to work. I should not have to change DPI setting to get a game to work. This game is the ONLY one I had to do that to out of all the other Matrix and other publisher games I own.

I know you are trying to help, but it is not just as simple as you make it out to be. It is a much bigger issue than it looks.

And a huge thanks to the team for recognizing this and trying to take steps to resolve it.

[Bamilus]

I agree, but it's subjective. I have zero DPI scaling issues on UHD/4K, so I would hesitate to say it's on their end or is a wide-spread issue. But it sucks you're having it and hopefully they can get it resolved.

[Numdydar]

Exactly lol. You have no issues so it must be me [:)]

See my screenshots in this thread and see what you think.

Also I am definitely not the only one with this issue. Which is why they are working on a fix.