Help with supply rules

[James80]

Hey,

I have cutoff last turn the soviet cities with my paratroopers. Nonetheless the soviet city of Proskurov has a supply of 5. I would assume it should be three. It is not connected to any key resources. What do I misunderstand?

Thanks a lot for helping me

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[BillRunacre]

Although the Manual says in 7.14. Supply Connection Rules:

All resources that are only connected by road via friendly territory to a Primary or Secondary supply source will max out at strength 5.

It should really say:

All resources that are only connected via friendly territory to a Primary or Secondary supply source will max out at strength 5.

The pocket is therefore not fully closed, and the two hexes south west of Vinnitsa will need to be captured to close it.

That said, the siege rules mean that the Soviet held resources within the pocket should reduce in strength by 1 per turn due to the proximity of Axis units.

[James80]

Hey,

thanks for your fast response. I have always concentrated on cutting off railways and roads. The rule in 7.14 made kind of sense to me that if roads and rails are cutoff the supply is massively interrupted. I have to change my tactics accordingly.

Best regards

[Duedman]

Although the Manual says in 7.14. Supply Connection Rules:

All resources that are only connected by road via friendly territory to a Primary or Secondary supply source will max out at strength 5.

It should really say:

All resources that are only connected via friendly territory to a Primary or Secondary supply source will max out at strength 5.

Could there be a bug in Norway? My opponent has Narvik and Oslo with Trondheim still in my hands.
As a secondary supply source it should provide a 5 to all connected ressources no?

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[BillRunacre]

It should be at 5 if it has a connection to a Minor Capital, but if the Allies have Oslo then I don't think this can be the case?

It only acts as a Secondary Supply Center if Norway has either joined the Axis, or has surrendered.

The port is presumably at 5 though?

[Duedman]

Does it need connection to a minor capital?
What's the use of a secondary supply then? If it had a land connection to a minor capital all cities connected to the secondary supply would have this connection as well, no?

Or is the harbor the reason? It was blocked the turn Oslo fell (liberated by Allies).
Does the secondary supply need a harbor to work? That would make Italien North Africa quite easy to starve.

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[Hubert Cater]

Hey,

thanks for your fast response. I have always concentrated on cutting off railways and roads. The rule in 7.14 made kind of sense to me that if roads and rails are cutoff the supply is massively interrupted. I have to change my tactics accordingly.

Best regards

Hi James,

Just wanted to add that cutting off railroads is still arguably a good tactic, e.g. it stops units from operating to or from that particular resource, and it does lower the supply of that resource as well. For example, Proskurov in this case (after looking at your screenshots) dropped from a maximum supply of 8 to 5.

If then completely cutoff, e.g. all friendly territory blocked off from a path back to a Primary or Secondary supply (as Bill described), it will have another level of drop, and in this case to the maximum drop down to 3 supply.

Hubert

[Hubert Cater]

Does it need connection to a minor capital?
What's the use of a secondary supply then? If it had a land connection to a minor capital all cities connected to the secondary supply would have this connection as well, no?

Or is the harbor the reason? It was blocked the turn Oslo fell (liberated by Allies).
Does the secondary supply need a harbor to work? That would make Italien North Africa quite easy to starve.

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Hi, what is happening here is that the Secondary supply source at Trondheim only provides further supply to the surrounding and connected resources once Norway has fully surrendered. But since Norway has been liberated, that Secondary supply source at Trondheim (for the Axis as they are still occupying that area) only boosts Trondheim for the occupier.

[Duedman]

Hi, what is happening here is that the Secondary supply source at Trondheim only provides further supply to the surrounding and connected resources once Norway has fully surrendered. But since Norway has been liberated, that Secondary supply source at Trondheim (for the Axis as they are still occupying that area) only boosts Trondheim for the occupier.

I admit that I have trouble understanding this.
So there are two types of secondary supply depending on the status of the minor?
If Oslo is in Axis hands Trondheim counts as (superfluous) secondary supply?
But if Allies liberated Oslo Trondheim only throws out a 5 for itself but not for the connected stuff?
I don't get it
But it's a very rare case anyway.

[Hubert Cater]

I would start by putting it this way, in general you won't get the full benefit of a Primary or Secondary supply source that is not your own when the status of these sources is still in question, e.g. has the country surrendered or been occupied yet etc.

You receive a partial benefit when it is occupied, e.g. that single location will provide the full occupied Primary or Secondary supply value, but it will not provide supply to any further resource locations until the nation it belongs to surrenders.

As Bill suggested, once you capture the capital, in this case Oslo, and Norway surrenders, full occupied supply rules engage as there is no more dispute/fight over the supply routes within the occupied and surrendered country, e.g. you are now in full control.