[WAD+FIXED][1307.6] 48N6DM is out of energy at 2/3 of maximum range

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[WAD+FIXED][1307.6] 48N6DM is out of energy at 2/3 of maximum range

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Build 1307.4
Database 498a

S-400 fires on Su-27 at distance about 70 nm. Aircraft at an altitude of 3600 meters. Does not maneuver. The aircraft turns and flies away from the missiles. The missiles are chasing him. At a distance of 80-85 mm from the SAM, the speed of the missiles is 400-600 knots. After this, the missiles' energy is out.
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Re: 48N6DM is out of energy at 2/3 of maximum range

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Same behavior for 40N6.
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Re: 48N6DM is out of energy at 2/3 of maximum range

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After update to 1307.6 and DB to 499 bug isn't fixed.
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Re: [1307.6] 48N6DM is out of energy at 2/3 of maximum range

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This is a WAD
The aircraft turns and flies away from the missiles. The missiles are chasing him
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Re: [1307.6] 48N6DM is out of energy at 2/3 of maximum range

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KungPao wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:14 pm This is a WAD
Did I understand you correctly that missiles lose speed because of maneuvers? Because I tried firing the same missile at a non-maneuvering B-52 and the missiles hit it at a range of over 100 nm.
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Re: [1307.6] 48N6DM is out of energy at 2/3 of maximum range

Post by Dimitris »

Finally tested this today, using B1307.12.

There is a new guidance bug introduced recently (probably as a result of this fix), which affects TVM/SAGG-guided weapons like the 48N6xxx series. Fixed for the next update, so you'll need to wait for the next release before retrying this.

With that issue out of the way, the guidance and flight profile work as expected. (Refresher on missile kinematics changes: https://command.matrixgames.com/?p=5500 )

Your main problem is that (a) the S-400 battery is placed far too back to cover the other units against "non-cooperative" targets, and (b) your WRA firing range is too generous (max range). The Su-27s on the flanks turn towards the SAM battery only briefly during their loop tracks, and that's when the battery is taking shots at them. And because they almost immediately turn away (and they are at medium altitude), the 48N6s have little hope of catching up with them.

The incoming Hornet strike is a more promising target, and the battery again takes a shot at them, but once they release their standoff weapons and turn away it's again a lost cause.

To make the battery more effective, you need to bring it closer to the front and tighten up its WRA firing range (e.g. 50% to 75% of max range).
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