ABM engagement issues (terminal seeker equipped SAM missiles) unable to intercept ballistic targets in terminal phase

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CarlTheRadarNerd
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ABM engagement issues (terminal seeker equipped SAM missiles) unable to intercept ballistic targets in terminal phase

Post by CarlTheRadarNerd »

New update is really great. But updates sometimes comes inevitable bugs. Currently only TVM/SARH are only capable of terminal phase ABM interception. Missiles using active radar/infrared seekers or combinations cannot intercept ballistics.

Situation - certain units/dedicated SAM facilities that use terminal seekers like ARH or IR do not automatically engage ballistic threats at the terminal stage of its flight. For example, only TVM/SARH seem to engage ballistic missiles in tests, such as PAC-2 and S-300 series (48N6 series only/TVM) currently function properly along with other SAM using TVM guidance. PAC-2 GEM+ and other SA-20/48N6DM work - as long as its TVM.

Other terminal ABM systems such as Stunner (David's Sling - ARH/IIR/EO seekers, paired with a dedicated ABM radar mount) says "unable to intercept target" for ballistic missiles it normally would intercept before update.
Same with the SAMP/T using Aster 30 and Aster 30 block 1 NT and S-400/350 using the 40N6E or 9M96E2 (active radar guidance)
However, PAC-3 missiles sometimes work for ABM role , and other times do not.

Issues also exist for some other SAM facilities that use terminal seeker equipped missiles when dealing with high speed/ballistic threats.

SAM facilities having issues engaging terminal phase ballistic threats: error message "unable to intercept target", even though target speed within parameters and guidance radars have sufficient track of target for ABM engagement:
PAC-3, SAMP/T, David's Sling, SA-21a/b, SA-28 (S-350 Vityaz), Skybow

Not sure if bug is due to guidance radars or missiles themselves, but prior to the recent db update each system's ABM function was working fine.
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blu3s
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Re: ABM engagement issues (terminal seeker equipped SAM missiles) unable to intercept ballistic targets in terminal phas

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Do you have a scenario that was working reliable with ARH and now it's not?

I've tested the pac2/Pac3 of the other thread scenario and, Pac3 hasn't problems to engage TBM. Also if I added a TPY4 to the sky bow, they were firing too (with less pH due to the speed of RV)


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Re: ABM engagement issues (terminal seeker equipped SAM missiles) unable to intercept ballistic targets in terminal phas

Post by morphin »

blu3s wrote: Thu Jul 10, 2025 5:29 am Do you have a scenario that was working reliable with ARH and now it's not?

I've tested the pac2/Pac3 of the other thread scenario and, Pac3 hasn't problems to engage TBM. Also if I added a TPY4 to the sky bow, they were firing too (with less pH due to the speed of RV)


Thank you
Maybe you have a savefile with a working PAC3 and /or Sky Bow engagement TBM? I can not manage to fire a single PAC3 or a Sky Bow with TPY4 so it would be very interesting what is the reason. Thank's
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Re: ABM engagement issues (terminal seeker equipped SAM missiles) unable to intercept ballistic targets in terminal phas

Post by morphin »

Newest 1706 Beta seems to fix this
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