Op Move Thru ZOC?

[HansBolter]

So the manual states that the only penalty for moving into\thru a ZOC is the expenditure of an extra Action Point.

This appears to have no effect on units using OP movement.

Units on trains just wiz right past my corp organic artillery as if it wasn't there.

[BillRunacre]

If the hexes containing the rail line are in enemy hands, then they can use it for operational movement, regardless of units placed near the railway - if they don't control the railway hexes, then they aren't close enough to interdict the railway traffic.

[HansBolter]

Bill that's just absurd.

Operational movement through zones of control should simply be forbidden.

Essentially, there is no ZOC in this game. It's so watered down it might as well not exist.

[BillRunacre]

If the railway is in one side's hands, it is for the other side to capture that railway. Otherwise why should rail movement be automatically prevented?

In the other thread you have argued that a unit can land via a port into an enemy held hex, while in this one your argument appears to be arguing the opposite: that who owns the hex the railway is passing through should not matter if an enemy unit is nearby.


Just to clarify: we are not necessarily averse to changing the rules of the game, it has been done many times over this game series' long history following discussion and feedback, but there needs to be both a compelling reason to make the change, and no negative effect in doing so. Plus it helps if there is a general consensus of opinion, as any changes made to either of these subjects would also be implemented in other games, were we to make them.

[HansBolter]

You are comparing apples to oranges.

Not being able to unload from a troop transport into enemy controlled territory has nothing whatsoever to do with not being able to op move through a ZOC.

And btw....the unit that offloaded from a transport into enemy controlled terrain also offloaded into a ZOC.

Offloading into a ZOC should be fine....as long as you are offloading into friendly controlled territory.

The only way a unit landing from the sea should be able to offload into enemy controlled territory, and especially into a ZOC, should be via an amphibious operation.

I couldn't care less about consensus. I care about what is correct.
Consensus does not determine what is correct.

What is correct should be what determines consensus, but far too often one can never get a consensus on what is correct due to the lack of an ability on the part of so many to be capable of comprehending what is correct.

Waiting on that results in never taking action.
Sitting on one's hands isn't a solution.