Is $69.99(US) too much for a game??

Penguin · Post by **Penguin** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 11:55 pm

According to Amazon.com, the release price for War in the Pacific will be 69.99. Does anyone feel any price resistance at that level?? Or will it be worth it for the intended scope of the game? Is that going to be the new price level for games overall?? I am cringing at the thought of $100 for games down the line... Very hard to hide in the grocery budget...lol

I hardly ever buy a "version I" game; the "version II or III" generally have the bugs worked out and show that the early versions were competently executed and well-received in the marketplace. Usually I wait to buy till the $49 game goes down to $29. By then the major patches are out, and the initial hype has died down and people are more realistic about it. I broke that pattern with Master of Orion 3, because of all the hype and paid 49.99, plus 19.99 for the strat guide. Now it is 19.99 and 9.99, respectively, a mere 6 months later. I coulda bought a whole 'nother game to play, if I had waited six months.

And many reviewers decided that Galactic Civs was probably the better game anyway. Making your customers feel stupid is not a healthy long term outlook for any industry...

madflava13 · Post by **madflava13** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 12:00 am

I don't think it's too much... A couple of reasons why:
1. As you mentioned, the massive scope of this game, plus the inclusion of several UV sized games as well (as scenarios) makes the price worth it.
2. Matrix/2by3 aren't expecting to sell 7 million copies, so where the Sims can be priced more cheaply, WiTP cannot.
3. The size of the companies involved means that a higher price needs to be set. Where EA games can take a risk of a loss because of the diversity of their products, Matrix/2by3 cannot.
4. I've been waiting for PacWar's successor for years now, so basically any price is worth it for me.

Just my two cents...

Nikademus · Post by **Nikademus** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 12:03 am

I payed 80.00 for War in Russia (8-bit) back around 1986.

(god, not this subject again) :rolleyes:

Mr.Frag · Post by **Mr.Frag** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 12:32 am

My most expensive game:

Title: Precision Simulator 744 Full Version
Code: PS1744
Price: $259.95 US (full version)
Publisher: Aerowinx

You get what you pay for in life, I have thousands of hours spent with it and a few hundred more dollars sunk into manuals (and IT already has a 350 page manual and a 200 page tutorial).

For a game that theoretically is going to keep you busy for the next 5 years, it seems to me that it is far too cheap!

Fallschirmjager · Post by **Fallschirmjager** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 12:32 am

If this was someone like EA making the game...id tell them to shove it

But Matrix is small...and they arnt going to become filthy rich off of the game

pry · Post by **pry** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 12:38 am

The best ROMED "Return on My Entertainment Dollar" has been UV and Civilization 2 and 3; I have spent more time in these 3 than all others combined and spent nearly as much time in UV as Civ 2 and 3 combined, actually I have not played another game since I got UV last December...

WITP will keep my interest for YEARS, and I will admit I will buy it whatever the price simply because of the thousands upon thousands of hours of entertainment it will provide in the years to come. I will gladly work through the Growing Pains and Patches because I have a deep interest in the subject matter and also I have been dreaming and wishing for a Pacific War game on the Europa scale for many, many years and WITP is that game....

The best part is that Matrix and 2by3 are going to support WITP because they want it as much as I do...

Nikademus · Post by **Nikademus** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 2:00 am

despite my love for naval games, i think the most hours i ever put into any one wargame remains championed by War in Russa (8-bit) more so if one includes it's PC incarnations in the early 90's. Hundreds of hours spent fighting on the Russian front. Then there was that one complete USAAF campaign i played....think it took 1/2 a year or more to play out the whole thing. Dozens of hours.

UV/WitP though will no doubt break this record

2ndACR · Post by **2ndACR** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 4:44 am

For WITP heck yes. For any other game no. Matrix/ 2by3 have proven that they do try to get it right and fully support their games. Unlike some other companies out their.

Sorry I meant to say that I will pay whatever they charge for WITP. But not any other game.

Luskan · Post by **Luskan** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 1:00 pm

2ndACR wrote:For WITP heck yes. For any other game no. Matrix/ 2by3 have proven that they do try to get it right and fully support their games. Unlike some other companies out their.

Sorry I meant to say that I will pay whatever they charge for WITP. But not any other game.

ditto.

LargeSlowTarget · Post by **LargeSlowTarget** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 3:21 pm

2ndACR wrote:For WITP heck yes. For any other game no. Matrix/ 2by3 have proven that they do try to get it right and fully support their games. Unlike some other companies out their.

Sorry I meant to say that I will pay whatever they charge for WITP. But not any other game.

I concur. The topic and scope of the game as well as Matrix' dedication and support are worth the money. I must have played thousands of hours of PacWar (still do) and have craved for a worthy successor for years.

Sonny · Post by **Sonny** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 4:50 pm

$69.99?? A bargain. I thought it was going to sell for $79.99.

They could charge $100 and I would buy it (hope they don't read this and jack up the price). On a $/hr basis UV has given me more for my money than almost any other game. I suspect WitP will return a similar value (even if I only play one campaign game!).

If you want a Med. game then they need the $upport.

They support their games so -

Gotta support the guys who produce the games you love.

Slick91 · Post by **Slick91** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 4:55 pm

2ndACR wrote:For WITP heck yes. For any other game no. Matrix/ 2by3 have proven that they do try to get it right and fully support their games. Unlike some other companies out their.

I second your opinion 100%!

Even with some of the remaining bugs in UV, you still have to look at the level of detail that (these) games have and say, "****! These guys have really done their homework!"

It goes to show that other game companies are more focused on flashy 3D graphics than realism and detailed information.

WITP will be the biggest waste of money I'll ever happily pay for a game. Why do I consider it a waste? Because, I'll never be able to fine the time to play it for more than an hour in one sitting because I've got a wife, three kids, and a dog.

So, when do I get to pre-order?

Mr.Frag · Post by **Mr.Frag** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 5:04 pm

One interesting note, WitP improvements will probabably be retrofit into UV 2.40, coupled with being used for the much requested UV - Med, so you are in effect sharing the WitP price as a major UV upgrade as well.

Whats the standard upgrade price these days? $19.95-$29.95? Knock that off your WitP price if you are a UV owner, because you are getting two for one in the deal

Mr.Frag · Post by **Mr.Frag** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 5:05 pm

WITP will be the biggest waste of money I'll ever happily pay for a game. Why do I consider it a waste? Because, I'll never be able to fine the time to play it for more than an hour in one sitting because I've got a wife, three kids, and a dog.

Gary will include a referal list for good divorce laywers in the box

Solve your problem

Slick91 · Post by **Slick91** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 5:32 pm

Mr.Frag wrote:Gary will include a referal list for good divorce laywers in the box Solve your problem

LMAO!

Wife: "What are you laughing at?"

Slick: "Oh nothing, nothing at all."

Damien Thorn · Post by **Damien Thorn** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 6:20 pm

Slick91 wrote: I'll never be able to fine the time to play it for more than an hour in one sitting because I've got a wife, three kids, and a dog.

Give the dog away, put the kids in boarding school, and treach the wife to love WiTP.

James Taylor · Post by **James Taylor** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 6:22 pm

A game of this scope, this genre....why its a wargamer's heaven, what would you pay for heaven? I've got all the huge SPI games, "Wachem Rhein", "Atlantic Wall", "War in the Pacific", ...never played one more than a few moves, just oggled at the maps, counters, read the rules and grovelled in all the information. WitP will be a garden of wargaming eden, money is no object....for everything else there is Mastercard.

Slick91 · Post by **Slick91** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 6:56 pm

Damien Thorn wrote:Give the dog away, put the kids in boarding school, and treach the wife to love WiTP.

Slick =

Wife =

:rolleyes:

Kids = :p

Dog = :sleep:

Mike Scholl · Post by **Mike Scholl** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 6:57 pm

If it's done right, $70.00 is a steal. If it comes out with some of the
"bonehead bits" various testers have reported in the "alpha" version---then
$00.99 is to much. Hopefully they are watching and listening to the various
observations made in the forum and making fixes accordingly.

Mr.Frag · Post by **Mr.Frag** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 7:37 pm

Hopefully they are watching and listening to the various
observations made in the forum and making fixes accordingly.

Don't be worried there, this is Gary's life long ambition, it is not simply a game being produced by a company to make money. It will probably be unlikely that this game actually turns a profit for 2by3 as they could have produced a couple of games in the timeframe that this one is going to take and sold them to make money if that is where their hearts were at...

UV map = 12,815,480 bytes

WitP map = 108,037,480 bytes

That should give you a nice perspective as to what you are getting into, it should also give a good perspective of the workload

Is $69.99(US) too much for a game??

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