Paradox signs Mad Minute Games

[Veldor]

For those of you who are Mad Minute fans, they have finalized things with Paradox recently for Take Command: 2nd Manassas to be released April 18th in most markets.

[Hertston]

As long as Paradox keep their noses out of the coding and design, good news, I suppose. It will get the game a wider distribution, which is good.. but the four month delay in publishing it is a bit of a disappointment.

[Confederate_Beagler]

Don't worry about the coding. This is still very much MMG's baby. Paradox just happens to be putting the game in boxes and getting store shelf space for them. Oh, and advertizing too. Unlike the SNAFU that was Activision Value and the first game.

[Sarge]

Paradox !

Good luck with that ,They are going to need it [8|]

[ravinhood]

Yeah, I won't touch a paradox game upon release no matter who coded the game. It's the principle behind the publisher. Boycott the publisher for their past crimes to customers.

[benpark]

I have the beta(since I preordered). It's an amazing game. I understand the publisher thing(I can't stand CDV)-but it is one that shouldn't be missed.

[ravinhood]

Oh I believe you Ben and it's nothing against Mad Minute. I just have a principle about/against Paradox products and I will not give them one dime of my money retail again. And besides in 2 months after release 2nd Manassas will be less than $10 on ebay, all of the other Paradoxs games are.

[Sarge]

I loved the first title, and will most defiantly will be getting this one also. I just don't see the why they picked Paradox, its probable a very- very good thing the code was about wraped up before the deal was done

[Pippin]

I agree, with a label like Paradox, a small percentage of the population will be too cautious.

[Veldor]

ORIGINAL: Sarge

I just don't see the why they picked Paradox

Probably because its a non-grog title and Paradox is, thought too anyway, have a larger fanbase of non-grog strategy players where-as, say Matrix, is thought to have a larger fanbase of grog players.

Paradox is, I believe, trying to gain more favor amongst wargamers by doing more turn-based titles and games of better crossover appeal like the Mad Minute title.

Its one of the things that makes playing Diplomacy so much fun. Its a chatty game by nature and its interesting to see what some say about the game (many having come from other paradox titles and never having playing any sort of turn based game or even "wargame" before not that Diplomacy really even is one) and they shake in fear at my mention of buying HTTR and think instantly I'm some sort of hardcore grog (interesting to me that some of those sorts would even know the term).

Some of those same hardcore Paradox fans playing Diplomacy for the first time have also bought GGWaW and its perhaps their only knowledge of Matrix Games.

The "True Grogs" may never well play a pure strategy type title and the strategy fanatics that come from the click-fest extreme may very well never play even the lightest of wargames.. But I do believe there is an every growing segment in the middle where a lot of crossover potential exists on both ends.

And both Matrix & Paradox are wise to try to tap into that and that is why we see some of the titles that we do from both of them. Just that in Paradox's case its a somewhat new direction (trying to appeal more to the "true wargamer" crowd)

Just my worthless opinion of course.

Final thought is ANY company, regardless of what you might think of them, is probably a better choice than Mad Minutes last publisher.

But then again if Atari can be associated with games like Diplomacy and Squad Leader, then why not have Activision putting out wargames too lol...

Donkey Kong Squad Leader anyone? [:D]

[benpark]

"Non-grog"? I'm as groggy as they concerning on 19th century warfare and tactics, and this is the best wargame I've seen on this period, no contest.

Have you have played the first game by MMG, Veldor? There is none of the "RTS" wood gathering thing going on, if that's your impression. This is a wargame.

Also-as someone that heralds a new second coming of computer gaming AI, you might take some notes on what these two guys have achieved, it's pretty amazing.

[Veldor]

ORIGINAL: benpark
"Non-grog"? I'm as groggy as they concerning on 19th century warfare and tactics, and this is the best wargame I've seen on this period, no contest.

Have you have played the first game by MMG, Veldor? There is none of the "RTS" wood gathering thing going on, if that's your impression. This is a wargame.

Also-as someone that heralds a new second coming of computer gaming AI, you might take some notes on what these two guys have achieved, it's pretty amazing.

Oh. No. Somehow you missed my point entirely. I'm sure its my fault. I type too fast and too much.

All I meant was that the game is not as hardcore as say WITP and that it therefore has better crossover appeal for both fans of Pardox's other titles and wargamer fans alike. Plus that Paradox is trying to appease wargamers more and these additions to their line are part of that.

I was in no way knocking the game or the development company. If anything I was stating the exact opposite.

I for one also have no problem with Paradox. Personally I've only ever bought one game from then (Diplomacy) though I've played most of the others via demo or whatever (Did not decide to purchase HOI2 based on the demo for instance). Though I have nothing against their "old" lineup, this new direction of Diplomacy, Squad Leader, and now Mad Minute Games makes me a lot lot happier.

So I guess to make it simple all I meant to say is:

ITS DAMN OBVIOUS why Paradox would want to sign Mad Minutes new title. It can only help them and its obviously going to be a great game.

As for why Mad Minute decided on Paradox, I'm sure thats far more open to debate and speculation... And I simply gave my own best shot at that...

Mad Minute proves just how much a couple of guys in a basement can achieve on their own. You can't not respect that.

PS. Perhaps some of the confusion comes from my use of the word grog and its varying definition out there. For the record I don't consider myself a Grog. And this after having spent years playing games like ASL and UV. Though, like I said, to most Paradox and Diplomacy players I'm as grog as grog gets. Yet my preferences in games and such are not in line with the average WiTP player etc. Thus I, and many others out there, really don't feel we are "true grogs" and as un-cool a wargamer as that makes me I am more than happy with that. Grog to me isn't defined by what wargames you do or dont choose to play but rather is based upon your attitude towards the genre and what you value most in wargames etc. And in this there are two mostly disparate schools of thought and I simply often lean too much in opinion towards what the opposite of current grogs opinions and preferences would be to ever consider myself one. [&:]

[Hertston]

ORIGINAL: benpark

"Non-grog"? I'm as groggy as they concerning on 19th century warfare and tactics, and this is the best wargame I've seen on this period, no contest.

"Non-grog" should be considered a compliment in this instance, I think. Based on my experience of the first one, I suspect you are probably right, but either way the game is more far accessible to general gamers than, say, the HPS Civil War titles. Its the sort of game that gets people into the hobby, which has to be good in my book.

I wouldn't consider Paradox the best choice either, but we have no idea how much "choice" was actually involved. TC:2ndM, good as I'm sure it is, isn't a game Ubi or EA would be fighting to get their hands on. I assume from Benpark's comment CDV were a possibility.. and I share his opinion of them, so Paradox wasn't the worst choice, either!

[*Lava*]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood
Boycott the publisher for their past crimes to customers.

And in so doing destroy a garage designer... nice.

Don't ever complain about the lack of wargaming titles.

Ray (alias Lava)

[*Lava*]

ORIGINAL: Sarge

I loved the first title, and will most defiantly will be getting this one also. I just don't see the why they picked Paradox, its probable a very- very good thing the code was about wraped up before the deal was done

Actually, Paradox picked them.

Now if you were working 16 hours a day (your regular job plus trying to make a game) and a producer with some muscle offered to change your distribution for online downloads to games in stores.. what would you have done?

If you had kept up on their forums, you would have seen they were even working on Christmas.

These guys need a break to get into the mainstream. Hopefully Paradox's marketing muscle will do that.

Ray (alias Lava)

[*Lava*]

ORIGINAL: Veldor

Probably because its a non-grog title

You obviously haven't played any of their stuff. These guys are diehards when it comes to historical accuracy.

Ray (alias Lava)

[ravinhood]

ORIGINAL: Lava

ORIGINAL: ravinhood
Boycott the publisher for their past crimes to customers.

And in so doing destroy a garage designer... nice.

Don't ever complain about the lack of wargaming titles.

Ray (alias Lava)

Nah, Ron Dockal can do it, so can they. Just keep their day jobs and make games by nights and weekends. He's done it for quite awhlle now.

[*Lava*]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

Nah, Ron Dockal can do it, so can they. Just keep their day jobs and make games by nights and weekends. He's done it for quite awhlle now.

They've done that now for almost four years. They have families. Adam a new born. WTF do you expect these people to be SUPERMEN.

I repeat, don't ever complain about the lack of wargame titles.

Ray (alias Lava)

[ASHBERY76]

These Paradox haters are small and post under the same name in many forums.3 or 4 names seem to pop up.

[ravinhood]

Don't ever complain about the lack of wargaming titles.

My complaints aren't about the "lack" of wargame titles, it's games like CWBR/2nd Manassas, just another CIVIL WAR game. (ho hum yawn).

Now, Tin Soldiers series, yeah boy, love those. Slitherines Ancients series wahooo yeah boy love those.

Civil War, Napoleon, WWII (yawn stretch nami nami nami) same ole same ole.

Also RTS games aren't really my cup of tea anyways and CWBR fits into that catagory. Just not a full blown rts game...YET!