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Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:40 pm**

It helps to actual read the rules. I see that the surrender and transfer of Italian naval units on board, in production and repair pools was handled correctly.

I guess the issue is with Trieste and Pola and the rebase of the 2 SS divs out. I'm just going to go back just before surrender and address that, because I can see any reason those 2 div were force to relocate and the Italian CA forced to rebase.

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:47 pm**

rkr1958 wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:40 pm It helps to actual read the rules. I see that the surrender and transfer of Italian naval units on board, in production and repair pools was handled correctly.

Read the rules? I thought there was a rule against that somewhere.

rkr1958 wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:40 pm I guess the issue is with Trieste and Pola and the rebase of the 2 SS divs out. I'm just going to go back just before surrender and address that, because I can see any reason those 2 div were force to relocate and the Italian CA forced to rebase.

I suspect that MWiF is confused by the SS units. The divisions should have stayed where they were, and I think the Italian ship should've too.

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:16 pm**

Courtenay wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:47 pm
rkr1958 wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:40 pm It helps to actual read the rules. I see that the surrender and transfer of Italian naval units on board, in production and repair pools was handled correctly.
Read the rules? I thought there was a rule against that somewhere.
rkr1958 wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:40 pm I guess the issue is with Trieste and Pola and the rebase of the 2 SS divs out. I'm just going to go back just before surrender and address that, because I can see any reason those 2 div were force to relocate and the Italian CA forced to rebase.
I suspect that MWiF is confused by the SS units. The divisions should have stayed where they were, and I think the Italian ship should've too.

The SS units should have stayed in place. That's a bug (and if that get fixed, the Italian ship will stay in Trieste).

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:48 pm**

Ethiopia should now be aligned to an Allied major power. I have seen MWiF get this wrong. Did it work correctly?

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:48 pm**

Courtenay wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:48 pm Ethiopia should now be aligned to an Allied major power. I have seen MWiF get this wrong. Did it work correctly?

Below is what Ethiopia looks like post Italy's surrender. The 3 Terr & Italian div all disappeared. Would the opportunity to align take place during the first allied impulse of next turn?

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Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:50 pm**

Centuur wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:16 pm
Courtenay wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:47 pm
rkr1958 wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:40 pm It helps to actual read the rules. I see that the surrender and transfer of Italian naval units on board, in production and repair pools was handled correctly.
Read the rules? I thought there was a rule against that somewhere.
rkr1958 wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:40 pm I guess the issue is with Trieste and Pola and the rebase of the 2 SS divs out. I'm just going to go back just before surrender and address that, because I can see any reason those 2 div were force to relocate and the Italian CA forced to rebase.
I suspect that MWiF is confused by the SS units. The divisions should have stayed where they were, and I think the Italian ship should've too.
The SS units should have stayed in place. That's a bug (and if that get fixed, the Italian ship will stay in Trieste).

I went back and fixed that through some magical editing.

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:58 pm**

Turn 23. May/June 1943. End of Turn.

Destroyed.

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Repair.

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BP Report.

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Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:03 pm**

Turn 23. May/June 1943. End of Turn.

CP Losses.

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Western Allied CP Losses Compared to Historical BOA Losses.
By Year.

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Cumulative.

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Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:07 pm**

Turn 23. May/June 1943. Use Oil.

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Italy.

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Japan.
(1) Note that though isolated from supply ships and planes that returned to base to the NEI Tarakan and were reachable overland by the Balikpapan NEI oil point could be oiled.
(2) Is this correct? That is, can isolated units be oiled and reorg?
(3) Or do I need to retro fix if a bug?

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Not Oiled.
(4) Also includes inf div, which doesn't need oil, but is isolated and can't be reorg.

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Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:15 pm**

Turn 23. May/June 1943. Complete Conquest of Italy

Moment of Surrender.

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Post Surrender (After a little bit of fixing a couple or three things).
(1) Germany seizes Italy's gold reserves with a little help from sympathetic Italian Fascistic.

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Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:25 pm**

Turn 23. May/June 1943. Italy Surrender. Transfer of Surface & Submarine Fleet.

Active Sub & Surface Fleet Joins Germany.

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In Production, Repair, Construction Pools Join USA.

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Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:30 pm**

Ethiopia should have gone Allied in the conquest phase, after the Italian land and air units were removed from the game.

If it did not (and I have had trouble with this in the past), try declaring war on it with an Axis power next turn.

If you are using Option 47 ((Isolated reorganization) you may not reorganize isolated units. If you are not using that rule and the units can trace to oil, they can be reorganized.

Posted: **Fri Apr 19, 2024 1:12 am**

Courtenay wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:30 pm Ethiopia should have gone Allied in the conquest phase, after the Italian land and air units were removed from the game.

If it did not (and I have had trouble with this in the past), try declaring war on it with an Axis power next turn.

If you are using Option 47 ((Isolated reorganization) you may not reorganize isolated units. If you are not using that rule and the units can trace to oil, they can be reorganized.

I am playing with isolated reorg. So the units that were isolated and traced to oil should NOT have been reorg?

Posted: **Fri Apr 19, 2024 1:15 am**

rkr1958 wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2024 1:12 am
Courtenay wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:30 pm Ethiopia should have gone Allied in the conquest phase, after the Italian land and air units were removed from the game.

If it did not (and I have had trouble with this in the past), try declaring war on it with an Axis power next turn.

If you are using Option 47 ((Isolated reorganization) you may not reorganize isolated units. If you are not using that rule and the units can trace to oil, they can be reorganized.
I am playing with isolated reorg. So the units that were isolated and traced to oil should NOT have been reorg?

Apparently on closer inspection MWIF let me oil them but did NOT reorg them. They're still flipped, out of supply & isolated.

Posted: **Fri Apr 19, 2024 1:19 am**

Turn 23. May/June 1943. End of Turn.

(1) French Guyana Liberated and Returned to Free France.

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(2) China does NOT surrender to Japan.

(3) The Soviet Union does NOT surrender to Germany.

Posted: **Fri Apr 19, 2024 1:20 am**

Turn 23. May/June 1943. End of Turn.

Victory Totals.

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Posted: **Fri Apr 19, 2024 1:21 am**

Turn 23. May/June 1943. End of Turn. Global Maps.

Control.

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Units.

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Active Axis.

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Active Allied.

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Posted: **Fri Apr 19, 2024 1:23 am**

Turn 23. May/June 1943. Economics.

Report.

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Production (1/2).

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Posted: **Fri Apr 19, 2024 1:24 am**

Turn 23. May/June 1943. Economics.

Production (2/2).

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Posted: **Fri Apr 19, 2024 1:27 am**

Turn 23. May/June 1943. Economic Plots.

Cumulative Gross BPs.

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Cumulative Net BPs.

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Gross BPs Per Turn.

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Net BPs Per Turn.

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