I like this forum.

varjager · Post by **varjager** » Wed Mar 27, 2002 12:17 pm

I would like to say thanks to all people in the wir forum cause it is an honor and a pleasure to come here the read the postings.
There are always quick replys on Q&As.There is almost never any name calling or flaming here.Most of all we share a game that for me has given me alot of new friends all over the world.People who i discuss and talk on the phones with. If RickyB and Ed could please just increase the Sov replacment and exp on the fighters and........then on and on and on!

Well my hat goes of for all of you!

Muzrub · Post by **Muzrub** » Wed Mar 27, 2002 12:48 pm

Hey Varjager same here mate- its a great way to meet other people and cross with other cultures, its a learning experience!

But the game needs work!

jontegrabben · Post by **jontegrabben** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 1:36 am

Yeap, i agree with you 2 guys. At many forums people just "throw pies" for the sake of it and is usually not interested in the area of interest. Dont think you could say that about this place.

And btw Muzrub hopefully the game never vill be complete.......beacuse this forum would get obsolete then.

Muzrub · Post by **Muzrub** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 12:17 pm

game never vill be complete

It will obselete very soon when the new version comes out.

Ed Cogburn · Post by **Ed Cogburn** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 1:41 pm

Originally posted by Muzrub

It will obselete very soon when the new version comes out.

Very soon? Gary's working on Uncommon Valor and War in the Pacific right now, and they don't even have a publisher lined up for WiR3. Without a publisher they are not going to spend any time on it. Sadly, this is just classic vaporware, and will be for AT LEAST a year, probably more.

czerpak · Post by **czerpak** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 2:00 pm

Whatever will be published next, WiR remains a classic. And how a classic can become obsolete ?

Muzrub · Post by **Muzrub** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 2:09 pm

Whatever will be published next, WiR remains a classic. And how a classic can become obsolete

When no-one plays it after a better game is released.
Things become obselete everyday, even opinions.

SoleSurvivor · Post by **SoleSurvivor** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 4:04 pm

Dunno... I still prefer older versions of some games over newer ones.

Lokioftheaesir · Post by **Lokioftheaesir** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 5:11 pm

Originally posted by Muzrub

When no-one plays it after a better game is released.
Things become obselete everyday, even opinions.

Muz

There is no better game on the russian front, ergo, it will not become obsolete.

"Things become obselete everyday, even opinions."

As the sum total of human thought is 99% opinion (and 1% fact) then yes, most opinions are obsolete before they even enter the mind of the proposer.
(The concept of the 'subjective opinion' fascinates me. 'What is a subjective viewpoint?')

Loki

PS

Just got back, As Mr Varjager says, this is a great forum. Never know what will pop up next.

czerpak · Post by **czerpak** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 5:18 pm

Originally posted by Lokioftheaesir

most opinions are obsolete before they are even enter then mind of the proposer.

Loki

ROFLOL

Good one, Nick.
Be carefull, some people here might feel offended

Lokioftheaesir · Post by **Lokioftheaesir** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 5:34 pm

Originally posted by czerpak

ROFLOL

Good one, Nick.
Be carefull, some people here might feel offended

Maciej

Then that is their opinion...:p :p

It is not my job to placate the feeble minded.

WooHoo, that should get the ball rolling.

Loki

PS

I'm guilty of preconceptions myself in many cases.
For example..
My 'opinions' on Monty are hardly realistic, yet i take a comfort from them. Australians have never thought the 'pommies' were good enough to lead us. Monty reinforces that 'opinion'. We look at Galipoli and curse the toff fools who wasted so many australian lives. This is a feeling that will never die here.
And funny enough, Erwin Rommel is held in high regard in this country, anyone care to guess why?

czerpak · Post by **czerpak** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 5:42 pm

Originally posted by Lokioftheaesir

WooHoo, that should get the ball rolling.

Loki

I hope so, will be fun to read and maybe even partcipate in discusion. My last one died after short, but fruitfull life.

Muzrub · Post by **Muzrub** » Fri Mar 29, 2002 1:32 pm

There is no better game on the russian front, ergo, it will not become obsolete.

True!

But for how long?
The future can be an amazing place and as such the future could bring us a greater game- I dare say it will.:p

Die Kriegerin · Post by **Die Kriegerin** » Sat Mar 30, 2002 7:06 pm

Hey Ed, What's the cost to publish a game like WIR3.

Ed Cogburn · Post by **Ed Cogburn** » Sun Mar 31, 2002 4:53 am

Originally posted by Die Kriegerin
Hey Ed, What's the cost to publish a game like WIR3.

I don't really know, however the small size of the wargaming market means margins are razor thin.

loveman · Post by **loveman** » Sun Mar 31, 2002 2:25 pm

regarding alternative version of the war in the east shwerpunts russo german war is not bad and the game play is quite good to but like all games it is not perfect.

Ed Cogburn · Post by **Ed Cogburn** » Sun Mar 31, 2002 3:17 pm

Originally posted by loveman
regarding alternative version of the war in the east shwerpunts russo german war is not bad and the game play is quite good to but like all games it is not perfect.

I'm sure its good, but like World in Flames and Third Reich, it is a conversion of a boardgame (well, it looks like a boardgame including a 1 to 6 die roll for combat results). What most of us really want I think is a game with lots of detail and depth, something that is only possible with a computer, something like what Gary Grigsby (WF,WIR) and Norm Koger (OpArtWar) have produced.

Lokioftheaesir · Post by **Lokioftheaesir** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 2:29 pm

Originally posted by Ed Cogburn

I'm sure its good, but like World in Flames and Third Reich, it is a conversion of a boardgame (well, it looks like a boardgame including a 1 to 6 die roll for combat results). What most of us really want I think is a game with lots of detail and depth, something that is only possible with a computer, something like what Gary Grigsby (WF,WIR) and Norm Koger (OpArtWar) have produced.

Ed. Yeh OpArtWar is pretty good but designing scenerios takes alot of work if you do them from scratch. I like the event tree though, once you get a handle on how to use it properly you can do some great stuff.

Loki

Ed Cogburn · Post by **Ed Cogburn** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 4:11 pm

Originally posted by Lokioftheaesir

Ed. Yeh OpArtWar is pretty good but designing scenerios takes alot of work if you do them from scratch. I like the event tree though, once you get a handle on how to use it properly you can do some great stuff.

Its not just the kind of complex scenarios you can build with it. His Korea scenario is a much better version of the standalone Korea game he produced many years ago. You can certainly do a lot if you have time and patience (and skill?). My main reason for mentioning OPArt though is the level of detail in his equipment database. If you've seen his Barbarrossa scenario that comes with OpArt: Century of Warfare, you'd know what I mean. Almost every piece of equipment and several different squad types, all with their own characteristics. It goes way beyond what Gary did in WIR.

Lokioftheaesir · Post by **Lokioftheaesir** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 7:28 pm

Originally posted by Ed Cogburn

Its not just the kind of complex scenarios you can build with it. His Korea scenario is a much better version of the standalone Korea game he produced many years ago. You can certainly do a lot if you have time and patience (and skill?). My main reason for mentioning OPArt though is the level of detail in his equipment database. If you've seen his Barbarrossa scenario that comes with OpArt: Century of Warfare, you'd know what I mean. Almost every piece of equipment and several different squad types, all with their own characteristics. It goes way beyond what Gary did in WIR.

Ed
I've got the original V1.0 Of opart so i've not seen the Barbarossa scen. I agree that the Korea Scen is good fun. I've played it right through a couple of times as both sides.
Never played the game pbem though so i should go out and buy the lattest version so i can do so.
By 'Century of Warfare' do you mean it covers right up to the '90's say?

Loki

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