Least Fascinating War/Most Fascinating War

[V22 Osprey]

Well, I stated that I apologized for WWI comment the first time and that I didnt mean to offend anyone.You guys are the ones that didn't stop there.You guys just had to keep going and defend WWI.And then, after you spend a thread and a half defending WWI telling how facinating it is, you say you're not that into WWI in the first place.I dont get your logic?[&:]

You are ignoring everything I said in the previous page, about my apology for comment and everything.You just think I'm a hater of WWI.

[06 Maestro]

The Liberian Civil War.

[SS Hauptsturmfuhrer]

ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey

Well, I stated that I apologized for WWI comment the first time and that I didnt mean to offend anyone.You guys are the ones that didn't stop there.You guys just had to keep going and defend WWI.And then, after you spend a thread and a half defending WWI telling how facinating it is, you say you're not that into WWI in the first place.I dont get your logic?[&:]

You are ignoring everything I said in the previous page, about my apology for comment and everything.You just think I'm a hater of WWI.

Ack, you shouldn't worry yourself over it mate. It happens on every thread here. A single word from anyone that is not fully in line with everyone else's opinions will earn you a torrent of bitter insults and hate on this forum. I just write off that behavior as the effects of too many people sitting in front of a monitor all day getting no sunshine or exercise.

Check out this webcam of Vancouver today. Doesn't that make people want to get outside and do some mountain climbing or beach volleyball?

[morvwilson]

ORIGINAL: wesy

How about this war for the "Fascinating" category. Not a war that gets a lot attention in wargames or US history books for that matter.

Russo-Japanese War 1904-1905

Historical Events:


Battle of Port Arthur (Japanese Torpedo Boats) - surprise attack
The use of offensive mining
A precursor of WWI tactics such as entrenched positions, defended with machine guns and artillery
First time an Asian power defeated a European power in "modern" times
Battle of Tsushima - very lopsided defeat (putting it mildly) for the Russians,helped create the philosophy of the IJNs "decisive battle"
Contributed to the 1905 Revolution against the Tsarist Government
Loss of Russia's only warm water port in the Pacific

Excellent point here. This war also helped set up WW1. When the Ottoman Turks retreated out of Bosnia and Herzgovina, Russia was too badly weakened by this war to stop the Austrians from taking over this part of the balkens, thus setting up the conflict with the Serbs.

[wilecki]

ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey

Well, I stated that I apologized for WWI comment the first time and that I didnt mean to offend anyone.

I know you have. I wrote you a short message not to take anything of it hard but you've done otherwise.

ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey

You guys are the ones that didn't stop there.You guys just had to keep going and defend WWI.And then, after you spend a thread and a half defending WWI telling how facinating it is, you say you're not that into WWI in the first place.I dont get your logic?[&:]

First of all don't assign everything of it to me. I kept my tone in my comments. Second of all I also thought it ended at that moment but then you started crying that we want to shoot you for not liking WWI. It was not like that and you're still missing the point. It's not about liking or disliking and I only wanted to expand what you wrote because I felt that some vital things were missing. I am not that into WWI AS into WWII but I won't write that WWI is uninteresting and try to rationalize it somehow. It was a huge conflict and I would be surly missing a lot of things stating something like that.

ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey

You are ignoring everything I said in the previous page, about my apology for comment and everything.You just think I'm a hater of WWI.

I've not ignored your apology but you shouldn't have apologized for not liking WWI in the first place. I responded to your next post and then things've gotten a little out of control. I tried to make a point but obviously you took it all personal. I didn't mean that and I never said you're a hater of WWI. How can you know what I think.

[V22 Osprey]

I know you have. I wrote you a short message not to take anything of it hard but you've done otherwise.

Well you telling me to cool off when I wasnt even mad was bull$hit right there.

First of all don't assign everything of it to me. I kept my tone in my comments. Second of all I also thought it ended at that moment but then you started crying that we want to shoot you for not liking WWI. It was not like that and you're still missing the point. It's not about liking or disliking and I only wanted to expand what you wrote because I felt that some vital things were missing. I am not that into WWI AS into WWII but I won't write that WWI is uninteresting and try to rationalize it somehow. It was a huge conflict and I would be surly missing a lot of things stating something like that.

That's nice.So just because I'm not interested in WWI means I'm being rational.

I've not ignored your apology but you shouldn't have apologized for not liking WWI in the first place. I responded to your next post and then things've gotten a little out of control. I tried to make a point but obviously you took it all personal. I didn't mean that and I never said you're a hater of WWI. How can you know what I think.

Bull$hit.You've been making me look like I'm some heartless person that doesnt care about WWI.I'm just not interested in it, that's all.

[madgamer2]

I find that describing wars or battles as fascinating or interesting to be a bit out of place. I think however that this is a personal deep rooted reaction on my part. The reason I think is that to me the whole concept of war is organized killing to obtain something that can't be obtained any other way.
Spending long hours playing a simulation of a battle, or war for the historical value perhaps is also just a deep rooted excuse in an exercise of simulating the terrible thing we call warfare. Playing a game like WitP shows me what war is and that is killing ones fellow man. I wrote a song that has a line that reads "The enemy wants to do his job on me before I can do mine on him".
For all of our great accomplishments I think that a couple/few centuries from now it the scars and wars that will be most noticeable. In our own study of our own world history we find wars to be a major cause of status and change and being the beings we are this will always be so.
Yes Gary there will always be a sort of macabre fascination with playing games based on the worst part of our human nature.....the killing of each other. Pnce again you pose a question about something that we do but perhaps don't like to admit that we like. You make me think of the real nature of my own reason for
being a wargamer, not all of which are pleasant if I am honest with myself.

Madgamer

[V22 Osprey]

Well I'm just kind of annoyed that everyone is getting mad just because I'm not into WWI.Now I know how SS Hauptsturmfuhrer feels.You guys get mad over everything.One word can set you guys off and it seems you guys have nothing bettter to do but get mad.

[madgamer2]

Perhaps WW1 is important because up till then warfare was a sort of my army vs. your army. When gun powder came along the concept of total war was born. We now had the means to kill not just the army's but the people, cities and the very structure of a nation.
We now live in the age of the H bomb & the A bomb and if you think that the danger has passed and warfare with such weapons is not something that could happen .... think again.
The thought has passed through my head that in the study of history we seem to strive better and more deadly ways to kill off our fellow man and we now have the ability to do but will we? Lets hope not

Madgamer

[wilecki]

ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey

I know you have. I wrote you a short message not to take anything of it hard but you've done otherwise.

Well you telling me to cool off when I wasnt even mad was bull$hit right there.

First of all don't assign everything of it to me. I kept my tone in my comments. Second of all I also thought it ended at that moment but then you started crying that we want to shoot you for not liking WWI. It was not like that and you're still missing the point. It's not about liking or disliking and I only wanted to expand what you wrote because I felt that some vital things were missing. I am not that into WWI AS into WWII but I won't write that WWI is uninteresting and try to rationalize it somehow. It was a huge conflict and I would be surly missing a lot of things stating something like that.

That's nice.So just because I'm not interested in WWI means I'm being rational.

I've not ignored your apology but you shouldn't have apologized for not liking WWI in the first place. I responded to your next post and then things've gotten a little out of control. I tried to make a point but obviously you took it all personal. I didn't mean that and I never said you're a hater of WWI. How can you know what I think.

Bull$hit.You've been making me look like I'm some heartless person that doesnt care about WWI.I'm just not interested in it, that's all.

Beatiful, just beatiful. Let's end it here with your word being last. I mean: Bull$hit

[SS Hauptsturmfuhrer]

ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey

Well I'm just kind of annoyed that everyone is getting mad just because I'm not into WWI.Now I know how SS Hauptsturmfuhrer feels.You guys get mad over everything.One word can set you guys off and it seems you guys have nothing bettter to do but get mad.

You should never apologize for your opinions no matter the reactions. You are free citizen with freedom of choice and belief. Don't let anyone take that away from you... especially hecklers on the internet.

As for WW2 being more popular than WW1, for me it's because of the technology and wide range of battles on air, land and water. It was the fastest period of technological progress in history so we saw a lot of interesting match-ups between less than optimal tanks, airplanes, ships and infantry weapons. The American and British tanks were very odd but interesting, much unlike the flat, super heavy tanks everyone uses now. Like WW1, a modern war would be less interesting cause of the standardization of technology in the world now. I noticed this difference watching the 'Dogfights' documentary series which had me totally hooked with the Guadalcanal dogfights and other WW1 & WW2 fights but I almost fell asleep when it went into the jet age.

[V22 Osprey]

ORIGINAL: wilecki

ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey

I know you have. I wrote you a short message not to take anything of it hard but you've done otherwise.

Well you telling me to cool off when I wasnt even mad was bull$hit right there.

First of all don't assign everything of it to me. I kept my tone in my comments. Second of all I also thought it ended at that moment but then you started crying that we want to shoot you for not liking WWI. It was not like that and you're still missing the point. It's not about liking or disliking and I only wanted to expand what you wrote because I felt that some vital things were missing. I am not that into WWI AS into WWII but I won't write that WWI is uninteresting and try to rationalize it somehow. It was a huge conflict and I would be surly missing a lot of things stating something like that.

That's nice.So just because I'm not interested in WWI means I'm being rational.

I've not ignored your apology but you shouldn't have apologized for not liking WWI in the first place. I responded to your next post and then things've gotten a little out of control. I tried to make a point but obviously you took it all personal. I didn't mean that and I never said you're a hater of WWI. How can you know what I think.

Bull$hit.You've been making me look like I'm some heartless person that doesnt care about WWI.I'm just not interested in it, that's all.

Beatiful, just beatiful. Let's end it here with your word being last. I mean: Bull$hit

It's all cool wilecki.[8D]

[wilecki]

ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey

It's all cool wilecki.[8D]

Then I guess we're cool. No hard feelings.

[madgamer2]

Perhaps a kinder way is to say that not being "into" something does not make that subject any less important, in this case WW!. I think the fact you may not be into something or period should act as a restraint in posting about it. There are many subjects that I am not "into" so when commenting on them I try to be careful about what I say...I still get into hot water.
I am not interested in games of WW! but I know by the study of history that it had a large effect of world history. I have learned that my comments about something I am not familiar with get me in trouble to so try to refrain from such situations.
Whichn for me is easier said than done.

Madgamer

P.S. I am not mad at you if that makes a difference. Your posts do not have that
quality of baiting the forum members to respond as some posters do (no names mentioned)

[Silverdog]

V22 Osprey

I don’t go around posting ‘grandma jokes’ about battles/conflicts. I suggest you don’t either, and that is why I took acceptation to your original post. I don’t care what your interests are, but don’t trivialise and joke about events in history that you don’t understand or have interest in.

[V22 Osprey]

You people are too serious.The whole forum is going against me over such an insagnifigant issue.You guys want me to be a robot, I say one wrong thing I didnt mean to say and I get prosecuted for it.

[06 Maestro]

OK; group hug.

Hmm-all better now.[:D]

[06 Maestro]

ORIGINAL: Andrew Williams

Take a read of CW Beans "The Official History of Australia in the War 1914 -18"

i have the original publication including the missing volume XII

this is fascinating stuff showing the development of tactics and training over the course of 5 years.... trench warfare for the Australians became anything but a charge over open ground into machine guns.


http://www.awm.gov.au/histories/first_world_war/

Yep, that kind of stuff is mostly myth. It did happen in the early weeks of the war, then again when the U.S. Marines hit the ground-some folks just insist on learning lessons for themselves. MG's killed a whole lot of men, but a whole lot of machine gunners died too-it was another effective weapon.

[Lützow]

ORIGINAL: madgamer

I find that describing wars or battles as fascinating or interesting to be a bit out of place. I think however that this is a personal deep rooted reaction on my part. The reason I think is that to me the whole concept of war is organized killing to obtain something that can't be obtained any other way.

War is a phenomen - everybody wants to ban it, but somehow it never happens. Ernst Jünger (Storm of Steel) once claimed, that war is not something which get enforced from outside, but deep in us self and hence men will wage war till the end of humankind.

Anyway, in regard of warfare WW1 has been a transition time. No colorful uniforms and gutsy cavalry attacks anymore, as known from 18./19. century, while, on the other hand, still no modern equipment. There was no real cause for it, just happened because European nations got bored over a long era of peace. When I was a kid, we had an old neighbour living next door who participated in both world wars and what he told me about WW1 sounded rather depressing. I guess that's the reason, I never was interested to 'revive' this period in wargames.

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06 Maestro said
What is the first thing I see? This thread of course. Why, if I could reach some necks through the Internet I would...just kidding.



Your descriptive sentence brought a smile to my face. As I imagined your hand reaching through the screen of my computer and grabbing my neck. Lol

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