More bad news for future players (DRM & EA)

[Titanwarrior89]

Whine all you want guys....... Whine more..... I agree with you all. DRM's Suck! [:-][:o]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

ORIGINAL: Joram

At this rate, Matrix is going to be about the only company I can ever buy from. These companies are killing the PC game.

You people have been whining about this for years, and it hasn't happened yet. Grow up and get over yourselves.

[Arctic Blast]

Considering PC gaming revenues are up, I'd say I agree with at least the point of Terminus' last comment. The whole 'the sky is falling, this will doom the hobby!' sometimes brought out by the anti-DRM side of things simply isn't true.

[JudgeDredd]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

ORIGINAL: Joram

At this rate, Matrix is going to be about the only company I can ever buy from. These companies are killing the PC game.

You people have been whining about this for years, and it hasn't happened yet. Grow up and get over yourselves.

That added a great deal to this conversation, Terminus. Not unlike this one...my own pointless post.

But whilst I'm here...what exactly does "grow up and get over yourselves" actually mean? "Bend over and take another one for the team"? If it weren't for people speaking out, you most definitely wouldn't be enjoying the freedom and ethics you enjoy now......

I don't know where you hang out mostly, I truly don't. You have 30+K posts and I rarely see any of them...and that's because you rarely post in the General Discussion forum...but I do know this...the times I've seen you post in the General Discussion forum you're posts have either been pretty inflamatory or incorrectly accusing some innocent poster (lurker or new poster) of being a spambot. Might I be so bold as to suggest you change your posting habits.

Joram is right...to an extent. Whilst it might not be the only thing killing PC gaming, it is certainly a factor...a BIG factor. DRM is counter productive in terms of selling games to PC users.

In the words of an infamous poster - "I think you need to get over yourself" [:D]

I forgot to add...in case killroyishere or diablo1 is lurking around...yes - I fully agree that in this instance I have trolled this thread. My post, much like Terminus' post has very little to do with the topic...though at the very least I do address the topic!

[Greybriar]

ORIGINAL: sulla05

I'm a bit confused. I do realize that many of these companies are not US ones but didn't the supreme court just rule that there is no such thing as " renting" software? I was under the impression that the ruling had to do with different DRMs and that they came down on the side that you actually own the siftware that you buy, so a company can't make you jump through hoops to play " your" game?

According to this article, it was the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington that ruled "software is owned, not licensed" in the United States, if that's what you were referring to. If anyone has information about a Supreme Court ruling on the subject, I would appreciate knowing about it.

As for the topic of this thread, I purchased fewer PC games in 2009 than in any year previous due to the DRM methods implemented by many PC game publishers.

[killroyishere]

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

ORIGINAL: Terminus

ORIGINAL: Joram

At this rate, Matrix is going to be about the only company I can ever buy from. These companies are killing the PC game.

You people have been whining about this for years, and it hasn't happened yet. Grow up and get over yourselves.

That added a great deal to this conversation, Terminus. Not unlike this one...my own pointless post.

But whilst I'm here...what exactly does "grow up and get over yourselves" actually mean? "Bend over and take another one for the team"? If it weren't for people speaking out, you most definitely wouldn't be enjoying the freedom and ethics you enjoy now......

I don't know where you hang out mostly, I truly don't. You have 30+K posts and I rarely see any of them...and that's because you rarely post in the General Discussion forum...but I do know this...the times I've seen you post in the General Discussion forum you're posts have either been pretty inflamatory or incorrectly accusing some innocent poster (lurker or new poster) of being a spambot. Might I be so bold as to suggest you change your posting habits.

Joram is right...to an extent. Whilst it might not be the only thing killing PC gaming, it is certainly a factor...a BIG factor. DRM is counter productive in terms of selling games to PC users.

In the words of an infamous poster - "I think you need to get over yourself" [:D]

I forgot to add...in case killroyishere or diablo1 is lurking around...yes - I fully agree that in this instance I have trolled this thread. My post, much like Terminus' post has very little to do with the topic...though at the very least I do address the topic!

Ahhh the troller even admits it. Thank you JD I'd been waiting for an avenue to return. Notice my new sig? [:D]

Now as far as DRM the only way we can combat it is to boycott it. Just don't buy those games with major intrusive DRM schemes. Ask yourself if you really have to have that game, is it really worth it? Don't you already have one like it already in your pile of games you buy and hardly ever play or finish? I haven't bought anything from EA in a decade anyway so it really doesn't matter in their case. Long live Freedom! If you forgot what it is go watch Braveheart.[:D][:'(]

[sullafelix]

Sorry I was told by word of mouth it was the Supreme court.

But still that is two courts who have upheld that you own software and not just rent it.

[JudgeDredd]

lol - I love how you have stayed away from these forums because you didn't want to change your sig. You haven't posted a single thing since Erik told you to change your sig. I knew if I gave you a window, you'd be too fucking stupid not to take the bait.

Thanks for proving me right...you are truly a collosal arsehole [&o]

I might (if I can be bothered) ask Erik to check some IPs. I'm sure that might prove interesting.

You are clearly either a child or the same bitter old man we know from before. Either way you took the bait and I congratulate you on not trying to hide your twisted, sad little mind. [:D]

[Knavery]

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

lol - I love how you have stayed away from these forums because you didn't want to change your sig. You haven't posted a single thing since Erik told you to change your sig. I knew if I gave you a window, you'd be too fucking stupid not to take the bait.

Thanks for proving me right...you are truly a collosal arsehole [&o]

I might (if I can be bothered) ask Erik to check some IPs. I'm sure that might prove interesting.

You are clearly either a child or the same bitter old man we know from before. Either way you took the bait and I congratulate you on not trying to hide your twisted, sad little mind. [:D]

Killroyishere is a jerk. Just ignore him until he gets banned. We all know you're not a troll JudgeDredd. You provide a great deal more to this community than posts. I know this to be true.

As for DRM... I guess when all is said and done, I'm more concerned about losing a game than anything else. I'm fine with certain checks, and am even willing to say that a conneciton requirement doesn't bother me that much. But what would bother me is a limited number of installs. At least with a physical copy, you can prove you've purchased the game. With download only games through places like GG, there is the possibility of losing them or the site just going completely under. What then? Unless you have physical copies burned to disc, you're SOL.

[JudgeDredd]

Thx for that wee vote of support Knavery.

He's been green buttoned. He never had anything useful or interesting to say anyway.

[NefariousKoel]

I'm rabidly anti- intrusive/restrictive DRM.

I've definitely boycotted software I would've otherwise bought.  This includes Steam.  Yes, it's DRM no matter how much you try to sugar-coat it.  And this nonsense has only become worse the first few months of this year. 

There's only one way to make them stop and that is to not give these turds your business.  I hope they all tank and the companies go tits up so some smaller, customer friendly, ones can pick up the business instead.

[Titanwarrior89]

Kids will buy them with a DRM. They dont care. Probley some years from now they won't even know the difference, because that will be all they have ever knowen. I speaking mainly of the EA type game companies.[:(]

[V22 Osprey]

I hate starforce, games for windows live, and I also hate the idea of having to be only to play single player games. I love steam, though what NefariousKoel seems to imply, I don't think anyone here as ever denied it to be a DRM. However, the problem is that even if these big companies tank and small companies take over, once these small companies grow, won't they eventually have to resort to DRM as well? And I doubt companies like Matrix, HPS, or other small companies would grow anyway because Wargames are a very small market to begin with. Plus, these companies may never go under because everyone likes those games like Modern Warfare 2.(I can't stand this game, yet people act like it's the best game in the world)

[ckammp]

ORIGINAL: NefariousKoel

I'm rabidly anti- intrusive/restrictive DRM.

I've definitely boycotted software I would've otherwise bought.  This includes Steam.  Yes, it's DRM no matter how much you try to sugar-coat it.  And this nonsense has only become worse the first few months of this year. 

There's only one way to make them stop and that is to not give these turds your business.  I hope they all tank and the companies go tits up so some smaller, customer friendly, ones can pick up the business instead.

100% agree.

As V-22 Osprey noted, however, the massive popularity of some games makes it almost certain that DRM isn't going away any time soon.

I really wish more companies could use the system that Matrix Games uses; it's one of the main reasons I purchase games from Matrix.

[ilovestrategy]

I love Steam for this reason. No CD checks and no hassles. Even playing on the wife's laptop is hassle free. I just have Steam set on offline mode and I have never had a problem playing single player games on it. I don't even remember how long I've been using Steam. It was when Half Life 2 first came out.

Well, the playing on a laptop keyboard is a hassle but that's a topic for another thread...

[NefariousKoel]

ORIGINAL: ckammp

100% agree.

As V-22 Osprey noted, however, the massive popularity of some games makes it almost certain that DRM isn't going away any time soon.

I really wish more companies could use the system that Matrix Games uses; it's one of the main reasons I purchase games from Matrix.

The only reason this DRM doesn't seem to be universally tossed out is because, if you notice, it's just the large gaming companies who are trying to shove this down our throats. These are the companies run by 'business execs' who aren't gamers who don't know anything better than their bottom line and the nonsense about rampant lost sales due to piracy propaganda that DRM companies feed them, hence threatening that bottom line.

I'm not some anti evil-business conspiracy loon but it's easy to see that this is the case in one form or another. The small-to-mid sized gaming companies generally avoid anything intrusive/restrictive at all.

[Obsolete]

Kids will buy them with a DRM.

No, it is their parents who will buy them.  Probably another reason they do not care as much.

The rest of what has been said is pretty accurate though.