NoCDs

Fred98 · Post by **Fred98** » Fri Nov 29, 2002 2:46 am

When Windows 3.1 was released, I thought it was fantastic. To start a program all you need do is click on the icon.

Of course once CDs were invented the security issue was addressed and we now must insert a CD to play a game. To me this is a big pain.

Note that a CD does not need to be inserted if you use a commercial application such as Office or Adobe Acrobat. Inserting the CDs only applies to games. Why?

3 years ago I came up with the solution: a CD stacker for computer.

abradley · Post by **abradley** » Fri Nov 29, 2002 3:04 am

Originally posted by Culiacan Mexico

Wish I had your way with words!:D

Culiacan Mexico · Post by **Culiacan Mexico** » Fri Nov 29, 2002 3:05 am

Originally posted by Joe 98
When Windows 3.1 was released, I thought it was fantastic. To start a program all you need do is click on the icon. Of course once CDs were invented the security issue was addressed and we now must insert a CD to play a game. To me this is a big pain.
3 years ago I came up with the solution: a CD stacker for computer.

I used a program for a 30-day trial period when I lived in Saudi Arabia and it worked fairly well, but the convenience didn’t out way the cost for at the time (I owned a desktop). Now that I have a laptop, I am reconsidering the question.

Note that a CD does not need to be inserted if you use a commercial application such as Office or Adobe Acrobat. Inserting the CDs only applies to games. Why?

Just attempting to protect their intellectual property, and considering the amount of piracy out there, it is very understandable. I don’t know how successful it is.

abradley · Post by **abradley** » Fri Nov 29, 2002 3:10 am

Originally posted by Les the Sarge 9-1
Hmmm

I will settle for asking you two to just go back to Art of Wargaming I suppose (yes I looked in your thread histories).

{snip}

Does this mean your banishing us from your realm? Are there any other areas of Matrix forum you've decided we shouldn't post in?

(yes I looked in your thread histories).

:rolleyes:

I didn't bother to check on you...not my style!:eek:

Fred98 · Post by **Fred98** » Fri Nov 29, 2002 4:20 am

It is expensive to build security features into software but Microsoft customers are happy to pay the cost. So you don’t require a CD to be in the drive to run Office.

But Matrix customers don’t want to pay the cost and so we are forced to have the CD in the drive – until better technology comes along.

A CD stacker for music is cheap, why not for PCs as well?

abradley · Post by **abradley** » Fri Nov 29, 2002 5:53 am

Originally posted by Joe 98
It is expensive to build security features into software but Microsoft customers are happy to pay the cost. So you don’t require a CD to be in the drive to run Office.

{Snip}

Recently heard on BBC that MS makes a 80%+ profit on their software.

This may give them an edge.

Muzrub · Post by **Muzrub** » Fri Nov 29, 2002 5:24 pm

Winning all the time is as boring as losing all the time

Les take note of your quote and chalk this one up as a loss.

slickric · Post by **slickric** » Thu Dec 05, 2002 11:27 pm

Just a question and an statment. How much does a company charge you for a replacement CD?
I have broken many a cd and the companies want as much as half of what you paid for it even if you have the recipt. I dont like that i do employ No Cd patches so i dont have to run the risk of breaking a cd form using it so much. I buy all my games and 85% of them I have put away after 3 days and kicked my slef for paying 49.99$ for them.

slickric · Post by **slickric** » Sat Dec 07, 2002 10:58 pm

Oh and by the way MICROSOFT is one of the companies who charges an arm and a leg for replacement cd's.

SLAAKMAN · Post by **SLAAKMAN** » Fri Dec 13, 2002 5:37 am

IF THE WORLD WOULD JUST ABOLISH COPYRIGHT AND PATENT LAW THEN NOBODY COULD MONOPOLIZE ANY IDEA. I PUT THIS MOTION FORWARD. VOTE YES.
SLAAKATTAK

brent_2 · Post by **brent_2** » Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:26 am

As I see it, no CDs are a practical workaround...

Culi - I have a laptop too and have DL'd some NOCDs for it, for the same reason - it is a royal pain to cart around an extra pack of CDs, there is enough other stuff to worry about. Especiallly if you are travelling for an extended period of time.

I have no problems using noCD patches as I have already paid in full for all my games, and I do not lend them out - so it becomes a convenience item for me. I also keep all the disks in cases, but with kids around that is not always safe, music or CDrom...

Culiacan Mexico · Post by **Culiacan Mexico** » Fri Dec 13, 2002 11:17 am

Originally posted by SLAAKMAN
IF THE WORLD WOULD JUST ABOLISH COPYRIGHT AND PATENT LAW THEN NOBODY COULD MONOPOLIZE ANY IDEA. I PUT THIS MOTION FORWARD. VOTE YES.
SLAAKATTAK

No one would create anything either.

SLAAKMAN · Post by **SLAAKMAN** » Sat Dec 14, 2002 1:53 am

"No one would create anything either."

ACTUALLY I KNOW PEOPLE WHO CREATE ALL KINDS OF THINGS JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT AND AS A NECESSITY. ABOLISHING THESE TWO SCOURGE/LAWS WOULD REDUCE THE CRIME OF HORDING AND ENCOURAGE TEAMWORK. DO YOU EVER NOTICE HOW MUCH TECHNOLOGY THE AUTO INDUSTRY IS HOLDING OUT ON WHILE USING PATENT LAW TO PROTECT THEIR "SHELVED INVENTION" STRATEGY?

Culiacan Mexico · Post by **Culiacan Mexico** » Sat Dec 14, 2002 3:21 pm

Originally posted by SLAAKMAN
"No one would create anything either."

ACTUALLY I KNOW PEOPLE WHO CREATE ALL KINDS OF THINGS JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT AND AS A NECESSITY. ABOLISHING THESE TWO SCOURGE/LAWS WOULD REDUCE THE CRIME OF HORDING AND ENCOURAGE TEAMWORK. DO YOU EVER NOTICE HOW MUCH TECHNOLOGY THE AUTO INDUSTRY IS HOLDING OUT ON WHILE USING PATENT LAW TO PROTECT THEIR "SHELVED INVENTION" STRATEGY?

When they started in the Soviet Union it was "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" at the end it was "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us".

Self interest rules all.

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Sat Dec 14, 2002 7:08 pm

Money is the weak link, and it's not going to ever go away as a factor any time soon.

People want to get paid to do what they do, and if we all want to get paid, we all have to pay.

Now if programmers programmed merely because they could.....

If people made cars, or did dentistry, or sold vegetables, or painted pictures, sung music, taught, or any other human activity just because they were good at it.....

Copywrite is about protecting our right to get paid for what we do.
If there was no reason to get paid, because there was no need to get paid.....

But no, I am not going to wait for this silly dream world notion to come to fruition. People want to get paid.

But I am a good example of what happens when just a few times, something is done, just to be nice.
Karma, it's a wonderful thing.

I have lots that I was given for free, and I have often given freely that which I had, because it felt good.
Last good example of something I did (just because I could).
I made a set of solid wood floor to ceiling bookcases (8' tall is a large bookcase!). I asked a buddy, "what would you charge?" (he has a business, me I was just doing it).
He quoted me a price of $400.00 (Canadian eh).
I charged the business I did them for, 50 bucks plus all costs of materials (I needed 50 bucks at the time to buy a book I wanted).
I made a second unit later, but after finding out my work was rated at 400, I asked for 100.

I enjoyed making the things, it was enough.
Just for the amusement of working with all that wood though, I would have done it for free, if I had not needed a bit of pocket cash at the time.

If I had the skill to program, odds are I would make the "perfect wargame" and just give it away much the way Linux is "here make it better if you can!" attitude.

SLAAKMAN · Post by **SLAAKMAN** » Sat Dec 14, 2002 11:19 pm

Copywrite is about protecting our right to get paid for what we do.

IT MAY HAVE STARTED OUT THAT WAY BUT ITS NOT WHAT THESE LAWS ARE REALLY ABOUT NOW. THE CURRENT STATUTES PRIMARILY PROTECT HORDING AND NOT THE IDEA. THERE IS ONLY A VERY WEAK APPARATUS TO REDUCE INFLATION AND ACCELERATE MONEY VELOCITY IN PLACE AT THE MOMENT AND BY REMOVING THESE TWO LAWS
NEW INVENTORS COULD UTILIZE THE IDEA'S THAT ARE SITTING IDLEY ON A SHELF AND BRING THEM TO MARKET.

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Sat Dec 14, 2002 11:57 pm

No I disagree, I am also a writer.

Copywrite is most definitely about protecting what is yours, entirely due to our need to get paid for our efforts.

This is because the world uses money. Money is used to get the other things we need. no more complicated than that.

If inventors lived in a world where they could invent, and not require money, because all the rest of humanity was not using it either, then copywrite would only be about getting credit for the invention.

But such is not the case. Some people invent, and others merely use inventions. But we all live on the planet, and all need the money.

If it takes me 3 months to write a good book, that was 3 months of labour. I expect that book to produce 3 months of income at the very least, or I am making no money at all. Inventors have bills to pay as well.

Some laws might be dumb, but that's just life.

If tomorrow I invent a battery that will power a car for one week and not generate pollution, and GM buys my battery for 100 million dollars, and then sells it to a major Oil company for 3 Billion dollars, just so the oil company can put it on a shelf. Well that was all by choice.

I would have 100 million and likely be dammmmm happy. But my invention would not belong to the world. It would just be real stupid of me to sell out the world like that is all. But it would still not entitle anyone to it.

SLAAKMAN · Post by **SLAAKMAN** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 12:48 am

"Copywrite is most definitely about protecting what is yours,entirely due to our need to get paid for our efforts."

THE QUESTION WOULD BE THEN, HOW MUCH? GERMANY FOR EXAMPLE HAS TARIFF SYSTEM THAT INSURES STABLE WAGES FOR EACH POSITION. THIS TYPE OF SYSTEM WOULD INSURE WAGE PROTECTION WITHOUT "HORDING LAWS" SUCH AS COPYRIGHTS.

"This is because the world uses money. Money is used to get the
other things we need. no more complicated than that."

DUH? THATS A LITTLE OVERSTATING THE OBVIOUS.

"If inventors lived in a world where they could invent, and not
require money, because all the rest of humanity was not using it
either, then copywrite would only be about getting credit for the
invention."

YOUR MISSING THE POINT. I DO WANT PEOPLE TO GET PAID THEREFORE IM A LASSAIZ FAIRE CAPITALIST AND AM PUTTING FORTH THE IDEA THAT MARKETS WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT WITHOUT LAWS SUCH AS PATENT AND COPYWRITE THAT PROTECT HORDING.

"But such is not the case. Some people invent, and others merely use inventions. But we all live on the planet, and all need the money.Some laws might be dumb, but that's just life."

HAR HAR HAR. SO WE'RE JUST SUPPOSED TO SIT BACK AND BEND OVER BECAUSE SOME PODUNK, ANAL RETENTIVE LEGISLATORS PRETENTIOUSLY DECIDED THAT THEY KNEW WHATS BEST FOR EVERYONE? WRONG!!

"If tomorrow I invent a battery that will power a car for one week
and not generate pollution, and GM buys my battery for 100
million dollars, and then sells it to a major Oil company for 3
Billion dollars, just so the oil company can put it on a shelf. Well
that was all by choice."

IN THIS CASE THOSE INVENTORS CAN MAKE THOSE CHOICES IF THEY WANT TO BUT WITHOUT PATENT LAW ANYONE COULD ALSO MAKE THE CHOICE TO UTILIZE THAT IDEA AND HAVE THE SAME CHANCE TO BRING IT TO MARKET WITHOUT INTERFERENCE FROM HORDERS. GLUTTONY IS ONE OF THE SEVEN DEADLY SINS.
SLAAK

PS- DONT TAKE IT PERSONALLY OR ANYTHING SARGE. IM NOT STARTING A FLAMEWAR. IF IT LOOKS LIKE A FLAMEWAR IS ERUPTING, I WILL IMMEDIATELY ABORT THE MISSION.

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 1:03 am

No your points were well stated dude, heck if I "fully" understood all the many aspects of patent law, my computer would be newer that's for sure, I would also be a well paid lawyer heheh.

But the whole problem with patent law is also mired in the problem of what is patentable and how.

Latest thing I have seen is the onco mouse for instance. Now there is a messy topic.

denisonh · Post by **denisonh** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 1:58 am

IF THE WORLD WOULD JUST ABOLISH COPYRIGHT AND PATENT LAW THEN NOBODY COULD MONOPOLIZE ANY IDEA.

Wow, Microsoft would love that. You think they are the evil empire now, if they didn't have to buy out competitors or work around copyright infringement they would harvest ideas for free and use their tremendous financial power to completely smother the competition.

So the organizations with the money can exploit someone elses intelectual property without paying for it.