Delta Variant - please no politics

[z1812]

ORIGINAL: balto

No Politics? How about stop posting on this. Relax, you will be fine. The media is manipulating you.

Really? 21,000 new cases in Florida. This is what happens when people don't wear masks, don't socially distance and refuse vaccination.


https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 061_1.html

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: z1812

ORIGINAL: balto

No Politics? How about stop posting on this. Relax, you will be fine. The media is manipulating you.

Really? 21,000 new cases in Florida. This is what happens when people don't wear masks, don't socially distance and refuse vaccination.


https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 061_1.html

Well, why don't you personally help them since you are an expert in their problems and can tell them exactly what they need to do and how to live their very own lives.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Bamilus

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Zorch



Please identify your source for the above statements.

The news and medical doctors.

Can you provide some links please? I have yet to see any reputable source say this. All I see are Trumpers parroting lies after their attempted January 6th coup. Can't wait for boomers to move on to the next world so we can actually advance as a society

PS: I hate Joe Biden, I've never voted Democrat. But I hate fascists even more!

Not when you put that political post up and also wanting people to die. Why don't you go first instead? Then the boomers won't bother you any more . . .

[ThomasJay]

I'm in Florida, many cases but I'm fully vaccinated so I'm not really worried if I catch it myself, and feel no responsibility to protect the willfully unvaccinated so I won't mask up unless a place requests they be worn My 20 yr old vaccinated granddaughter had a breakthrough case, scratchy throat for a few days, missed an audition. She gave it to her 11 yr old sister, mild fever for three days.

Anyway with as hot as it's been here plus the red tide, I spend a lot of time INside like BEFORE during THE LOCKdown anyway.

[sPzAbt653]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653
Certainly the most important thing in that article was mentioned last, so I'll post it again for the benefit of all those that don't read the whole thing.

proper ventilation and filtration may be even more helpful (SN: 5/18/21). In the mannequin study, researchers also placed two HEPA filters in various locations around the room. HEPA filtration cut exposure to airborne particles by 65 percent compared with no filtration and no masks. When all the mannequins were masked and the HEPA filters were on, the average particle concentration was reduced 90 percent.

Businesses need to focus on new ventilation systems. This should have been true since this crap first started. Money needs to be directed at this issue rather than elsewhere.

Well that didn't take long, did it? Some people just can't control themselves.

No filtration will protect you if a person with Covid breathes, sneezes, or coughs on you. That's why masks are better.
And refitting every building with air filtration systems will take many years, during which people will die.

Moderator, please lock this thread.

But if the obvious path had been taken a year ago, all of the millions or billions of dollars and effort wasted on foolishness would have been better spent on refitting of buildings. By the way, all of these buildings should have been refitted long ago. Here in Baltimore we still have schools with no A/C. WTF ?!?!? If these systems had been improved years ago as they should have been, most of this COVID crap would be a non issue. And how anybody thinks this is a political issue is beyond me. It's plain and simple the social responsibility of all of us. Get off the distractions and focus on the issues. Air Quality INSIDE. Has anybody got COVID while outside? omg.

Moderator, please don't lock this thread, leave it open for intelligent discussions on the matter. Moderator, please ban these long time trolls that constantly get threads locked. It's embarrassing.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653
Certainly the most important thing in that article was mentioned last, so I'll post it again for the benefit of all those that don't read the whole thing.

proper ventilation and filtration may be even more helpful (SN: 5/18/21). In the mannequin study, researchers also placed two HEPA filters in various locations around the room. HEPA filtration cut exposure to airborne particles by 65 percent compared with no filtration and no masks. When all the mannequins were masked and the HEPA filters were on, the average particle concentration was reduced 90 percent.

Businesses need to focus on new ventilation systems. This should have been true since this crap first started. Money needs to be directed at this issue rather than elsewhere.

Well that didn't take long, did it? Some people just can't control themselves.

No filtration will protect you if a person with Covid breathes, sneezes, or coughs on you. That's why masks are better.
And refitting every building with air filtration systems will take many years, during which people will die.

Moderator, please lock this thread.

But if the obvious path had been taken a year ago, all of the millions or billions of dollars and effort wasted on foolishness would have been better spent on refitting of buildings. By the way, all of these buildings should have been refitted long ago. Here in Baltimore we still have schools with no A/C. WTF ?!?!? If these systems had been improved years ago as they should have been, most of this COVID crap would be a non issue. And how anybody thinks this is a political issue is beyond me. It's plain and simple the social responsibility of all of us. Get off the distractions and focus on the issues. Air Quality INSIDE. Has anybody got COVID while outside? omg.

Moderator, please don't lock this thread, leave it open for intelligent discussions on the matter. Moderator, please ban these long time trolls that constantly get threads locked. It's embarrassing.

Spending money on public buildings is political. So your post is, by definition, a political post.

[MrsWargamer]

ORIGINAL: Sieben

God. what a bunch of screwballs. If I'd known this forum was a private chat room for loony tunes, I would never have posted here.

I didn't mean you, Zorch. Thank you for trying.

You're new here I can see.

This forum, General Discussions, IS basically a bunch of mostly well meaning old men, but we have some who couldn't care less for the rules let alone civil discourse. It's 2021, and if you want 'friendly' and 'accurate', and 'non political' commentary on social media, well, you are living in a delusion. It's the internet, where facts never matter, and opinions are rarely worth much, and everyone knows better than the other person.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: DD696

Edit: Warspite can start a tread about no politics regarding the Olympic games, but, just tell me, how is only including countries of the British empire (including conquered Ireland), not politics.

warspite1

Wow. DD696 I’ve no idea why you’ve dragged me into this, but quite clearly your post shows a complete lack of understanding, and simply makes you look rather silly.

I started an Olympic post just as I did in 2012 (i was on holiday for 2016). That thread worked okay as there were contributions from some others.

This time around the contributions from others has been limited and clearly the games thread isn’t that interesting to the wider forumites. However, I still find the games fun and so I am continuing to report on the progress of Team GB (there is nothing political - I happen to be British and so follow my country’s athletes). It would be nice if there was participation from others and highlighting their countries stories, but clearly no one feels the desire to do so and that’s fine.

But you’ve decided to bring the British Empire(?) into it. Were you drunk when you posted that? You know the British Empire is over yes? You do understand that right? Where has the ‘British Empire’ featured in my posts? And ‘conquered Ireland’. You clearly have no understanding of Ireland (or much else really). I made one congratulatory comment I believe, about the Irish winning their first gold in rowing - and you seek to turn that into something political.

I started the thread, but it’s not mine, it’s for anyone that wants to post - of any nationality.

Let me give you some well meaning advice. Don’t post when drunk - or if you weren’t drunk, then don’t post at all because you simply embarrass yourself.

[JWW]

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

ORIGINAL: Sieben

God. what a bunch of screwballs. If I'd known this forum was a private chat room for loony tunes, I would never have posted here.

I didn't mean you, Zorch. Thank you for trying.

You're new here I can see.

This forum, General Discussions, IS basically a bunch of mostly well meaning old men, but we have some who couldn't care less for the rules let alone civil discourse. It's 2021, and if you want 'friendly' and 'accurate', and 'non political' commentary on social media, well, you are living in a delusion. It's the internet, where facts never matter, and opinions are rarely worth much, and everyone knows better than the other person.

As a well meaning old man, I agree with you. I saw the subject line and thought, okay, this thread will be locked soon. Didn't even bother to read the original post, just kind of scrolled to the bottom to see where it was heading. I frankly don't see how the subject can be discussed without it becoming political. And your assessment of the internet is accurate.

[Zorch]

I'll make one more post before I give up. RJ, you made some allegations earlier in this thread.

Fauci said that masks don't help - even when he knew that masks helped. So he is a liar.
The vaccine never could prevent people from getting it, it helps to prevent it from becoming systemic that is, if you don't suddenly drop dead within the hour of becoming vaccinated or having a lot of other side affects

Please specify your source for these. Did you Fact Check your source to see if it was fake? If you won't give your source, why should we believe your statements? Just saying you heard it on the news or internet is meaningless.

According to https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations 4.14 billion doses of vaccine have been administered. That's a lot. Please tell me how many 'drop dead within the hour'. I know I didn't.

Dr. Fauci on the Delta Variant: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anthony-fa ... he-nation/

There's a lot of Covid misinformation out there; let's try not to add to it.

[rustysi]

feel no responsibility to protect the willfully unvaccinated so I won't mask up unless a place requests

I am vaccinated and those around me are as well. I will do what I feel is necessary to protect myself and those around me, especially my grandchildren!!!!!!!!! Whom at this time are not able to get the shots. Now you may say this or that about children not getting the virus or getting a lesser case, I DON'T CARE!!!!!! As far as those whom refuse to get the vaccine I don't care, except I will do whatever I can to protect their sorry a$$es as well.

This is not a political subject as far as I'm concerned, its about doing the right thing!!!!! And that is doing what you have to do, and that's getting vaccinated!!!! And if you don't believe that, well I wish polio, smallpox, measles, Covid, and all the other ailments that vaccines have saved us from on you and your people. I for one am sick and tired of those whom believe that science is lying to us at every turn. And if I get the vaccine and die, or have another reaction as well, well I still have attempted to do the right thing!!!!!! With seven billion people on the earth not many will miss me, and those that will, will still say, 'he tried to do the right thing'.

Yes, check out what is being said, and be informed, but if you listen to those who say the vaccine 'magnetized' them, please take the next comet off my planet. Remember them??? A definite improvement in the 'gene pool'. Oh, and speaking of which, when are we going to stop swimming in the shallow end????

You know, except for my family and close friends this pandemic has been kinda a relief for myself, because I haven't had to deal with all the nitwits!!!!!

I am sorry for the rant, but I can't contain myself any longer. Also I apologize to any I have offended, and I'm sure there are more than a few here.....

I could go on, but I fear I've gone way too far already.

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[MrsWargamer]

I'm a scientist, I have scientist leanings. I know the definition of the word 'fact' and how to use the term 'theory' correctly.
I'm also an atheist, thus I have scorn for all things religious. I'm not ruled by beliefs.

I was apprehensive at first about all things covid. The various agencies we rely on, can't seem to actually instill confidence. Social media is a true mess. Politics is being used in this matter. They ALL have an agenda. But, I'm no anti-vaccer, no anti-masker. I also don't have a problem with getting flu shots.

Additionally, I eat pork (love bacon), I do not have a problem shopping on Sunday, and the end is NOT near. The world is visibly provable to be round. He is NOT coming back, and evil is just a concept in a belief system with no merits. Various horrible individuals in the past were once children who I would not kill if I could time travel. When I die, it will be quite over. There is nothing more.

I do not wish to die stupidly. I also look both ways on a green light. I don't need most of the warnings on most products. I'm aware bleach is dangerous to drink. I like to take up dares, but, sorry, my brain always retains the right to veto.

The climate is definitely changing, and not for the better. And it is not really helpful to argue who is responsible if it was us, it is long past time to fix anything. Go ahead, cut down the rest of the Amazon for fast food burgers, it's going to die now anyway. You might not live to see Florida disappear along with the islands in the Pacific, but it's not a good idea to buy property there. The fires are so common now, I've lost the ability to be surprised. Siberia, the place we think of as 'that horrible cold place' is on fire too. So is Europe and India. This isn't just a California problem. The water is going fast, and with it the power the dams make. Unless hurricanes are the relevant problem in your area.

It really IS the age of Aquarius. Aquarius. Aqua. Water. Think about it for a moment. It's not about hippie love sadly. Not love and understanding. Pity.

Anyone with any real education prior to Google/Social media doesn't need to have any of the above explained to them.
They won't need quotes and charts and statistics and research findings with links.
I don't need experts, I'm 60, I AM the friggin expert. You may quote me if you wish. I suspect you'll mangle that task too though.

I'm sad that the world's young, those under 20, have been so completely screwed by the world's older people (anyone over 40).
I wish I could solve things, fix things right things.
But we are a very stupid greedy self-absorbed petty species.
I don't know about the value of going to Mars will be. But I suppose it won't be here.
And being on this planet might not be so great soon enough.

I never watch science shows about the world in a billion years or some nonsensical sum.
I'll be impressed if we make it to 2200.

Political future?
I think the Chinese and the people of Asia as a whole are in for a shock when it gets a bit warmer.
I'm worried we might need a wall to keep out climate refugees from the US.
Russia is likely going to need a wall too.
Northern Europe is the place to go, now, while you still can, if you live south of Scandinavia.
Water is going to mean a lot more than oil.

I am sooo glad I'm already in Canada.
I have likely managed with covid, because I live in rural Canada. It's a lot easier to isolate in a small community eh.
I don't want the borders opened. Leave them closed. Indefinitely. The sooner we master not going south the better.

[MrsWargamer]

For the sake of a wargaming connection for my thoughts above, consider this.

If society doesn't totally collapse, it's likely we will be seeing a lot of military responses to the conditions this world is headed for.

There won't be any bad guys vs good guys stuff though. It's going to be all of humanity scrambling for a place to live. Those with armies will be going where they need to go, by force if needed.

The real shame, is humanity COULD harness all the military muscle, and use it to fight the climate fight. Soldiers being used to fight fires, plant trees, build dikes. Build not destroy.

Nah.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: rustysi

I am vaccinated and those around me are as well. I will do what I feel is necessary to protect myself and those around me......

This is not a political subject as far as I'm concerned, its about doing the right thing.

warspite1

+1

[springel]

Last year, around Carnival, I saw the cases creep up towards the North of the Netherlands where I live while the Dutch government still didn't have a clue how to handle it: our prime minister believed in 'protect the vulnerable, but let the rest get 'herd immunity' by catching the disease. I told my daughter that we would enter an interesting time where we could see how our society would handle such a social emergency, and I predicted that it wouldn't be a nice picture.

My grand daughter had her birthday, and I used to take them to a restaurant on that occasion, but as the first case was discovered just 60 km South of Groningen, I declined to go to a closed space with lots of people, and I stayed at home. That night the first cases appeared in town, while there were no measures taken at all.

I must say, since then my wildest dreams about dysfunctional society have been surpassed by reality. From redneck hillbillies to vegan herbal ladies, many religious groups and everybody with a distrust in government, people have proven that we shouldn't look down on the Middle Ages as a time of illogical superstition, as todays people trump them in all respects.

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: rustysi

I am vaccinated and those around me are as well. I will do what I feel is necessary to protect myself and those around me......

This is not a political subject as far as I'm concerned, its about doing the right thing.

warspite1

+1

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[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe




The vaccine never could prevent people from getting it, it helps to prevent it from becoming systemic - that is, if you don't suddenly drop dead within the hour of becoming vaccinated or having a lot of other side affects. Also, a lot of people should not be vaccinated.

Please identify your source for the above statements.

The news and medical doctors.

List them. With verifiable proof.

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: balto

No Politics? How about stop posting on this. Relax, you will be fine. The media is manipulating you.

Manipulating you it seems.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-brea ... 30613.html

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — A day after it recorded the most new daily cases since the start of the pandemic, Florida on Sunday broke a previous record for current hospitalizations set more than a year ago before vaccines were available.

The Sunshine State had 10,207 people hospitalized with confirmed COVID-19 cases, according to data reported to the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services.

If they're fine, why are they hospitalized? Media manipulated them did it?

[Freyr Oakenshield]

Personally, I believe Delta is just a stop on a long route of strains, each next being deadlier than the previous one... until everything collapses and we end up in a world resembling that depicted in Walking Dead. [:(] So, hurry and play those wargames while you still can.

[Gilmer]

I'm vaccinated. And there is a lot of misinformation on both sides. Fauci has contributed to this because there are verified videos and everything of him say exactly opposite things at many points during the whole situation. THAT'S why people don't like him. And that isn't political.

And there are several people out there fond of telling us to wear masks when they don't even follow their own advice. Fauci being one of them.