OT: Women's World Cup 2015

[Chickenboy]

Surprised to see no previous threads on this subject. No matter. I'd like to start a sophisticated and erudite discussion of the WWC finals here. Permit me to suggest the following as the first point? Erm...(clears throat)...here it is:

USA! USA! USA!

Thank you. That is all.

[Zorch]

+1

[Zap]

Really can't get into it. It's a women's sport thing with me. I watched a couple of the games this year. Good if the USA wins.
Here's my spoiler. Why wasn't there an outcry for the ouster of the American goalie for domestic violence. Is it because she a women and they have special consideration. When I see all the male sports figures being tossed out. What' good for the goose is good for the gander.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Zap

Here's my spoiler. Why wasn't there an outcry for the ouster of the American goalie for domestic violence. Is it because she a women and they have special consideration. When I see all the male sports figures being tossed out. What' good for the goose is good for the gander.

I completely agree, Zap. The public is largely ignoring domestic violence perpetrated by females-and this is no exception.

[Aurelian]

What is there to ignore? She was charged. The charges were dismissed.

The case was dismissed following continued refusal to cooperate by the witnesses and alleged victims, Solo's half-sister Teresa Obert and Obert's teenage son.

http://www.nbcsports.com/soccer/judge-d ... -hope-solo

[Zap]

The point is just an accusation brings the male to be removed until it is investigated. She was not removed until the thing was investigated was she? But even when the investigation is over for a male he is still vilified by many in the public. And the news media bring up his alleged violence every time he shows for a game. Would that the media do the same for her. When she appears in a game, Oh there is "so and so' she was alleged to have committed domestic vilolence but she's playing today. and then do a deep dig into her past to see what they can find.

[aaatoysandmore]

Now about that British goalie??? Whad she do?[:D]

[Jim D Burns]

ORIGINAL: Aurelian
The case was dismissed following continued refusal to cooperate by the witnesses and alleged victims,

The guy’s wife that got knocked out in the elevator also refused to cooperate, yet he was publicly and professionally destroyed. Lack of victim cooperation should not be the litmus test in domestic violence cases as its common for victims to refuse to cooperate.

There is an unhealthy level of dependency in many domestic violence victims that in part helps make them susceptible to being victimized. Abusers recognize this personality trait and take advantage of it.

Jim

[Zap]

So your saying the (the goalie's) partner could have refused to cooperate. That is a possibility here.

In many instances for a male that is what everyone would say if his partner refused to testify. He beat the crap out of his partner but she is suffering from an unhealthy dependency.
Why do we hesitate to readily come to the same conclusion when a women is the perpetrator? Because its male bashing time in our society. Men are depicted as stupid, unfaithful, unnecessary. And it would be better for society if we were more like women or if we were women. What a crappy society we have become. No wonder so many don't know what sex they are! And women have a special consideration.

Well that's my beef for the day Lol.

[PipFromSlitherine]

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

ORIGINAL: Aurelian
The case was dismissed following continued refusal to cooperate by the witnesses and alleged victims,

The guy’s wife that got knocked out in the elevator also refused to cooperate, yet he was publicly and professionally destroyed. Lack of victim cooperation should not be the litmus test in domestic violence cases as its common for victims to refuse to cooperate.

There is an unhealthy level of dependency in many domestic violence victims that in part helps make them susceptible to being victimized. Abusers recognize this personality trait and take advantage of it.

Jim

If you mean Ray Rice, he was caught on video dragging his unconscious wife from the elevator. Followed by video of him actually knocking her out. So it's hardly the same. Let's not fall into MRA thinking...

Let's get the thread back on topic though. It's far more important that we basically let Japan walk past us (GBR) to the final.

Cheers

Pip

[CB60]

Way to go! But you know what sucks? FIFA made the women play all their games on astroturf! Imagine going full out, slipping, and just burning the hell out of your legs.

[wworld7]

ORIGINAL: CB60

Way to go! But you know what sucks? FIFA made the women play all their games on astroturf! Imagine going full out, slipping, and just burning the hell out of your legs.

You are correct!!! It sucks, grass is so much better.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: PipFromSlitherine

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

ORIGINAL: Aurelian
The case was dismissed following continued refusal to cooperate by the witnesses and alleged victims,

The guy’s wife that got knocked out in the elevator also refused to cooperate, yet he was publicly and professionally destroyed. Lack of victim cooperation should not be the litmus test in domestic violence cases as its common for victims to refuse to cooperate.

There is an unhealthy level of dependency in many domestic violence victims that in part helps make them susceptible to being victimized. Abusers recognize this personality trait and take advantage of it.

Jim

If you mean Ray Rice, he was caught on video dragging his unconscious wife from the elevator. Followed by video of him actually knocking her out. So it's hardly the same. Let's not fall into MRA thinking...

Let's get the thread back on topic though. It's far more important that we basically let Japan walk past us (GBR) to the final.

Cheers

Pip

warspite1

GBR? You mean England [;)]

[Jim D Burns]

ORIGINAL: PipFromSlitherine
So it's hardly the same.

I intentionally pointed to the incident to use it as an example of an obvious domestic violence situation (no one can refute that it occurred) that saw the victim refuse to cooperate. This soccer goalie is also an obvious abuser as well according to this story and chargers were not dropped because of lack of evidence or because there is any doubt she is a violent abuser. Chargers were dropped because witnesses and the victim would not testify, so the two cases are almost the same except there is video evidence in the first case for everyone to see.

http://www.chicagonow.com/token-female/ ... a-big-one/

In my many years in law enforcement I saw thousands of cases of domestic violence and the number of victims that repeatedly dropped charges over and over again that I saw is impossible to count. If I had to estimate it I’d say at least 75% of victims would eventually drop charges even if they were beaten so bad they almost died.

There is an unhealthy level of dependency that many victims have that for whatever reason leads them to find their way back under the control of their abusers, even when it’s obvious to any outsider that they will suffer horribly again and again. The number of victims I watched go through this routine over and over until they eventually were killed by their abuser probably numbers in the hundreds.

Based on this very common pattern seen over and over again, lack of cooperation by victims of domestic abuse should never be used in the criteria that decides whether a case gets charged or not. Sadly it is all too often used as an excuse to drop charges as in the case of this goalie. No one doubts she is guilty yet she is allowed to get away with it simply because her victim won’t cooperate and she knows it. I have no doubt she’ll victimize him again and again until one day she might use a knife or a gun.

Jim

[TulliusDetritus]

Not really following this WC, so a few questions.

I know anything may happen in a final. I know the American team is usually one of the best. I don't know the Japanese though.

So in theory what team is strongest, more skilled, who should be winning?

[aaatoysandmore]

But what about that BRITISH goalie? Whad she do now? [:D]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

But what about that BRITISH goalie? Whad she do now? [:D]

warspite1

Amazing [X(]

Half the time when people should be talking about Britain they refer to England. When they should be talking about England they refer to Britain!!! Why is this so difficult to understand?*

If your reference is to the fact that the England goalkeeper was born in the US, then I'm not sure why this is a "[:D]". There are agreed international rules around who can play for whom depending upon other family for example (as in this case) or in the case of some sports there are "transfer mechanisms" too. If you think the English football team - and Karen Bardsley in particular - is special have a look at how many of the US's 600 athletes for the Olympic Games 2012 were born overseas - more than 40 I believe.



*By the way and for the avoidance of doubt, this is a light-hearted remark..... well mostly anyway.. perhaps a tinsiest bit of frustration too [:D]

[aaatoysandmore]

I figured it out England must be like a state of Britian? Am I right? [:D]

[Zorch]

Britain is that whole island. England is the part of the island that's not in Scotland or Wales.
Don't ask me about the Isle of Man. [:)]

[Zap]

Americans beat Japan.