Marder carrying capacity

[kch]

Another quick question. In the game it seems like that the Marder in the German panzergrenadier units are often carrying two infantry units, something like 6 + 7 men. Is that on purpose or is there a mistake where the squads have been duplicated?

[WildCatNL]

Another quick question. In the game it seems like that the Marder in the German panzergrenadier units are often carrying two infantry units, something like 6 + 7 men. Is that on purpose or is there a mistake where the squads have been duplicated?

It's likely on purpose; the game isn't very strict in how many squads fit in an APC/IFV, in order to account for
- squads being split across IFVs (for example, with Bradleys)
- squeezing in additional men, perhaps on top of the vehicle, when trying to withdraw with all men after losing a vehicle.

If you can show an example from the game, that would help.

[kch]

I think I saw in Brother in Arms and Crossing the Waldnaab, but that is just off the top of my head. I will double check later and get back to you.

I understand that the Marder has been set to be able to carry two "points" which makes it able to carry two squads, however I just didnt think that this what was happened in real life (however, I am no expert). Right now I see platoons with 3 Marders and 3 Panzergrenadier squads and 3 Panzergrenadier (+Milan) squads.

[CapnDarwin]

For clarification, the Milan subunit is a team and not a squad.

[kch]

Thanks for the explanaitions. I think I might just have been confused since in the scenario "lessons of war" for instance, if I click on 1/3/PzGrenbtl 102 then I see 3 Marders, 3 PzGrenadiers and 3 PzGren (ATGM). If I further inspect the subcomponents then the PzGrenadiers have a crew of 6 and the PzGren (ATGM) have a crew of 7, so I thought they were both squads. As far as I could see on the internet (I am no expert) then the Marder would only be carrying 6 or 7 troops total rather than 6+7.

However, if I access the scenario "End of the Road" and click on 3/2/PzBtl 291 then I can 3 Marders, 2 PzGrenadiers and 1 PzGren (ATGM) which I think makes much more sense.

The scenario "Brothers in Arms" also has the 3 Marder, 3 PzGrenadiers and 3 Pzgren (ATGM). Could it be that it is an error that has crept in?

I still think the game is really great and I am looking forward to the expansions! Thanks for all the good work

[CapnDarwin]

kch, I'll look closer at this, as you seem to have a good point on the squad compositions.

[CapnDarwin]

kch, I fixed one formation that had 3 M113s and 3 PzG squads, and 3 Squads with Milans. That looks wrong. The other mechanized units had 3 IFVs, 2 Mech Inf, and 1 Mech Inf with Milan. Those look okay. I'll see if we can fix the scenarios for the upcoming 2.1.3 update.

[kch]

I tried to take a look at the CW 80 West Germany file, and I couldnt find any reference for a formation with 3 Marders + 3 Panzergrenadiers and 3 PzGrenadiers (ATGM). There was a reference to a formation with 3 M113s + 3 Panzergrenadiers and 3 Pzgrenadiers (ATGM), which also seems to a bit odd.

Maybe I am missing the point though or just looking at the wrong files.

[kch]

kch, I fixed one formation that had 3 M113s and 3 PzG squads, and 3 Squads with Milans. That looks wrong. The other mechanized units had 3 IFVs, 2 Mech Inf, and 1 Mech Inf with Milan. Those look okay. I'll see if we can fix the scenarios for the upcoming 2.1.3 update.

Thanks! Really appreciate the support on the game.

[kch]

kch, I fixed one formation that had 3 M113s and 3 PzG squads, and 3 Squads with Milans. That looks wrong. The other mechanized units had 3 IFVs, 2 Mech Inf, and 1 Mech Inf with Milan. Those look okay. I'll see if we can fix the scenarios for the upcoming 2.1.3 update.

Do you want me to check all the W German OOBs in the scenarios?

[CapnDarwin]

I will check them out this week as I have time while at Origins. I can fix them quickly so they are ready for the next update.

[Zumwalt_446]

Hi,

Apologies for resurrecting this thread, but I think there is the same OOB issue for the "An Autobahn Too Far" scenario. 4 Company of PzGdr BN 302 has three platoons with 3x M113/3x Mech Inf/3x ATGM team per platoon. The other two companies seem to be correct with 3x Marder/2x Mech Inf/1x ATGM per platoon.

[CapnDarwin]

Thanks for posting. I thought I fixed all of those some time ago, but I will check it out today and correct it for the next update.

[calgar]

Hi,

Apologies for resurrecting this thread, but I think there is the same OOB issue for the "An Autobahn Too Far" scenario. 4 Company of PzGdr BN 302 has three platoons with 3x M113/3x Mech Inf/3x ATGM team per platoon. The other two companies seem to be correct with 3x Marder/2x Mech Inf/1x ATGM per platoon.

Sorry for the necro, but I think the suggestions are a bit ill informed.

MTW Companies have three Milan's per platoon. Marder Companies have two per platoon.

The initial set-up seems to have been correct

Cheers

[SgtZdog]

Sorry for the necro, but I think the suggestions are a bit ill informed.

MTW Companies have three Milan's per platoon. Marder Companies have two per platoon.

The initial set-up seems to have been correct

Cheers

If you've got a source for us, that would be great. These kinds of fine details are quite difficult for us to find. From what I recall, what we found was a source saying that the milan system on the marder was dismounted and used as the squads ATGM system. We don't have a great way to model this in game, so I believe what the platoon was changed to was a bit of a compromise, both in terms of trying to not muck up the balance of the scenario too much, but also in terms of we currently lack the ability to simulate that reality.

[CapnDarwin]

I am correcting the scenario and then making formation adjustments in the data for the next update to reflect 1) the M113 has a squad and a Milan team per vehicle and not use the "Blended squad-team" we have in the game data. 2) Same with the Marder, but they only carried 1-2 teams in the platoon. As Kevin notes, if you have some info on the actual OOB/TOE arrangement, we would love to see it.