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Production Charts

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In this Thread I will post some Diagrams about production numbers from time to time.

They are/will be not 100% exact due to multiple reasons, but they may give an idea what numbers to expect.

The coloured diagram for Soviet plnes in this first post is "hand-made", this one should be about "99% exact".

The simple looking diagrams are created automatically by imorting production information from exported CSV files of the game. Again, not perfect, minor errors may be here and there but it should give a general idea.

I am currently tweaking around changing the Diagram formats.
I sadly know no way to automatically mark year end/begin in this charts in google docs without editing the .png myself.

Reasons why things may be not "100% correct":
  • general mistakes by me
  • mistakes by my automation not being bug-free for all situations. Since we are having different "situations" between numbers (negative numbers, "zeros") which may cause errors initially
  • classification of what I consider an AFV, Artillery and so on.
  • Some elements "spawn in" inside Divisions/Units - this these diagrams do not account for
    • this can either be a "normal" thing - so just added "spawn" of an element on top of normal production
    • or it can be the literal, only way for this element to enter the game (used for certain AFVs and Planes at least) to have those rare equipments in their historical units (at least initially)
  • generally numbers will be slightly larger because:
    • how the building from chassis/airframes works - the automated charts account for that but there always is rounding (RNDUP)
    • production is erratic at times, this is all everaged out but again, rounded
    • Some elements are built from other previously built elements (e.g. upgrades of variants ...). This I have accounted for in the manually created diagram (mostly) but this is not being accounted for in the automated diagrams! This may especcially on German side cause too large numbers for planes in mid/late war
    • conversions of captured Equipment - those I am not sure how to handle, yet
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Automatically created charts for planes and AFVs.
German plane production is the one which may be the most inaccurate since there are many plane types being built/upgraded from other (older/different) planes.
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Production comparison overlayed.
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cumulative tank and plane comparison
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Wiedrock thanks for putting all this together and for all your other (many) forum contributions.

I believe I had read that capturing oil fields does not reduce oil and gas production. So, the Axis never really run out as the Soviets advance and allies bomb the Romanian fields. Is that true of production? I have always assumed that as I capture production sites that the Soviet production will be hurt (at least temporarily as it moves farther east and has to take time to set back up in the new location). Is this assumption correct or is it basically set within the game system?
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I am also not 100% sure about all the Fuel stuff. But I can give my 2 cents.
PeteJC wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 12:13 pm I believe I had read that capturing oil fields does not reduce oil and gas production. So, the Axis never really run out as the Soviets advance and allies bomb the Romanian fields. Is that true of production?
It does hurt the production.
If you'd take Romania as Soviets in 1941 (in an alternative world), Axis would run out of Fuel pretty/somewhat quickly. The thing is that as long as you have "large" productions (Romania in this case is large), you will have a point which you reach when at least the Fuel amounts in Pools will not fall any further (due to when in the Logistics Phase does which calculations (the order)). Due to this (I think) you will tend to always have about sufficient Fuel for your forces at the beginning of the next Logistics Phase without losing Romania (or Caucasus in case of Soviets).
Due to this and the whole scale of the system, "small" Reductions by bombing are hard to rly track or judge if they have any impact (imo).

Note: If fuel is an issue you will see it in the "Supply Details - Window" of each individual unit, there you will have any number greater than 0 behind the "no fuel". Then you know you are missing Fuel in your Pools.

PeteJC wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 12:13 pmI have always assumed that as I capture production sites that the Soviet production will be hurt (at least temporarily as it moves farther east and has to take time to set back up in the new location).
You can not "capture" Factories like Heavy Indurstry, Armaments Production, Fuel Production. Those will be destroyed when an hex switches sides (afaik forever - it is possible that scheduled "size increases" rebuild them - not sure but I don't think so).
Same goes for all Chassis/Airframes, those you can not caputre, they will either be destroyed (the ones that historically never got captured) or relocated (the ones that historically were relocated).
What you can take is crude oil - this will "help" Germans (in a sense that it will increase the Pool), since they have a overcapacity in Oil Refining.
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Amazing work, well done!
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The problem was that the starting Oil / Fuel stockpiles were so high for Germany that the loss of Romania would not be felt until '44 or '45.

Additionally, production multipliers change and additional synthetic fuel plants come online.

But I have not looked at that in a long time to see if it is still an issue.

Here is a high level historic chart of German oil/fuel stockpiles vs consumption and production levels.

Romania switches sides in August 1944.
Between May 1944 and May 1945, the United States Strategic Air Forces—Eighth Air Force from England, Fifteenth Air Force from North Africa and later Italy and the Royal Air Force Bomber Command—conducted a systematic bombing campaign, known as the Oil Plan, against German oilfields, refineries and synthetic oil production plants.
By August 1944, Romania's output of finished oil products had been reduced by 55%. The dip in Romanian oil production had already occurred before their formal switching of sides.

see - https://www.fischer-tropsch.org/Tom%20R ... m%205O.pdf
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