Soviet airforce is op [PBEM]

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FreakinHeck
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Soviet airforce is op [PBEM]

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So we are playing a pbem game. We at the very first turn our soviet opponent just annihilated our 18th mot div with only air bombing. The division had no MP and stood next to soviet bunkers if it matters. I believe it's not any fun and historical that it's possible just to remove best German divisions from map without even using ground forces. 18th mot even had attached aa unit, we've done almost everything that we could at T1 to protect it. Save files were attached. We just want to know how did it actually happened. Did the div surrounded to fort or what?

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Wiedrock
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Re: Soviet airforce is op [PBEM]

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That's abusing the Air War basically. That's why some completely block the Groundattack Air Directives. I suggest 'house-ruling' such shenanigans by limiting Ground Attack-Strikes on a single Hex per turn.
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Re: Soviet airforce is op [PBEM]

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Wiedrock wrote: Sat May 31, 2025 9:18 am That's abusing the Air War basically. That's why some completely block the Groundattack Air Directives. I suggest 'house-ruling' such shenanigans by limiting Ground Attack-Strikes on a single Hex per turn.
Are you able to actually see the saves without the password? All I see from the OP is 147 missions against the target and the last sortie did nothing at the cost of one aircraft. I also don't have a sense of many players advocating blocking GA directives.

I can also assure the OP that after a time, the VVS is largely incapable of this sort of thing if the Axis player has a reasonable degree of experience.
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Re: Soviet airforce is op [PBEM]

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There's no saves needed.
It is well known that the AD GA-Unit can be massively abused by the VVS in 41, killing easily 4-5kMen of a Division and leaving the rests DAMaged behind. After X (like 600-800 Sorties) Flak will mostly stop shooting and if fighters are around they are also cooked at one point.

His example is even more ridiculous by its outcome then what I've seen bafore, since it is T1 (so isolation cant be done) and a German Division seems to be vanishing due to low RDY/TOE.

Historically speaking, you can do in 1 week in 41 in a 10mile Hex more sorties then Soviets did 2 years later in the whole Kursk area in multiple weeks. One reason obv is that you have control over all planes and are not limited to one Air Army assigned to a sector. But it's also missing some type of "organization malus" in some way making such things impossible. Whatever Air Leader stats are being used for, it does not seem to limit Sorties (generally speaking).
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