ya situation for Russia looks very bad I would say....the issue is once you lose the river by Rostov you dont have much to defend in the south until the mountains....for 1942 the major river line at Rostov is a hold at all costs line as long as possible as your defense is game over until stalingrad and the mountains once lost.
As well the Germans and Allies have almost as many total men as your do, and once you lose Leningrad your manpower generation per week will drop significantly esp compounding with more town/city losses in the south makes for a tough 42/43 unless you can get some germans pocketed somewhere to reduce his OOB.
The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)
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Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)
No question jubjub has played a very solid game and I have my work cut out for me. We'll just have to see how this all plays out.chaos45 wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 2:36 pm ya situation for Russia looks very bad I would say....the issue is once you lose the river by Rostov you dont have much to defend in the south until the mountains....for 1942 the major river line at Rostov is a hold at all costs line as long as possible as your defense is game over until stalingrad and the mountains once lost.
As well the Germans and Allies have almost as many total men as your do, and once you lose Leningrad your manpower generation per week will drop significantly esp compounding with more town/city losses in the south makes for a tough 42/43 unless you can get some germans pocketed somewhere to reduce his OOB.
Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)
Week 46 3 May 1942
Brigades can now be converted to divisions and some of that takes place in order to fill some armies out on the map.
Bryansk Front makes a move to occupy a line along the eastern bank of the Oka River. This will later create some issues for the Bryansk Air Command as most of their air divisions are positioned along the Kaluga-Moscow axis.
Central Front advances more cautiously but does advance some miles west.
The Volkov Air Command this week takes responsibility for all recon groups of the VVS.
The VVS launches some highly unsuccessful bombing missions, losing 157 aircraft while inflicting only 200 casualties.
These missions are taking place in the last relatively quiet week before both side set their plans into motion. Next week, the battle for Leningrad resumes in earnest while the south faces major Axis pressure. For the Red Army, preparations are made for storming over the Oka with Bryansk Front with assistance from Zhukov's Central Front. Here the VVS tactical air formations will have an important part to play.
Frontal Aviation count:
Volkhov Air Command
411 recon aircraft
Leningrad Air Command
400 fighters
217 transports and TB-3s assigned for transport duties
Northwestern Air Command
200 tactical bombers (180 of which are U-2VS)
Kalinin Air Command
100 fighters
Bryansk Air Command
497 fighters
280 level bombers
Moscow Air Command, Central Front
440 fighters
400 tactical bombers
140 level bombers
34 transports
Southwestern Air Command
487 fighters
774 tactical bombers
Southern Air Command
88 fighters
158 level bombers
North Caucasus Air Command
333 fighters
151 tactical bombers
53 level bombers
Long Range Air Command
240 level bombers
There continues to be a general shortage of AOGs, but that will work itself out over the next several weeks as more become available.
Brigades can now be converted to divisions and some of that takes place in order to fill some armies out on the map.
Bryansk Front makes a move to occupy a line along the eastern bank of the Oka River. This will later create some issues for the Bryansk Air Command as most of their air divisions are positioned along the Kaluga-Moscow axis.
Central Front advances more cautiously but does advance some miles west.
The Volkov Air Command this week takes responsibility for all recon groups of the VVS.
The VVS launches some highly unsuccessful bombing missions, losing 157 aircraft while inflicting only 200 casualties.
These missions are taking place in the last relatively quiet week before both side set their plans into motion. Next week, the battle for Leningrad resumes in earnest while the south faces major Axis pressure. For the Red Army, preparations are made for storming over the Oka with Bryansk Front with assistance from Zhukov's Central Front. Here the VVS tactical air formations will have an important part to play.
Frontal Aviation count:
Volkhov Air Command
411 recon aircraft
Leningrad Air Command
400 fighters
217 transports and TB-3s assigned for transport duties
Northwestern Air Command
200 tactical bombers (180 of which are U-2VS)
Kalinin Air Command
100 fighters
Bryansk Air Command
497 fighters
280 level bombers
Moscow Air Command, Central Front
440 fighters
400 tactical bombers
140 level bombers
34 transports
Southwestern Air Command
487 fighters
774 tactical bombers
Southern Air Command
88 fighters
158 level bombers
North Caucasus Air Command
333 fighters
151 tactical bombers
53 level bombers
Long Range Air Command
240 level bombers
There continues to be a general shortage of AOGs, but that will work itself out over the next several weeks as more become available.
Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)
Week 47 10 May 1942
The Battle of Leningrad resumes.
Naval troop transports that are available can only move one understrength rifle division across Lake Ladoga in any given week. For that reason there is little point in an evacuation. The 4th Shock and 55th Armies with over 200,000 men between them are in a fight to the bitter end.
There are two proper ways to try and siege out Leningrad. Both involve successful naval patrolling over Lake Ladoga. If the Luftwaffe only flies during the Axis turn and isolate the port of Osinovets, little to no supplies can be pushed over the water route. This is the slower and more strangulating approach. The other option is to fly during both player phases and attack the ground forces once the port of Osinovets has been successfully isolated over multiple consecutive isolation turns.
The Soviet player is at a disadvantage here, because there is no way of knowing what the Axis player has planned for, therefore the VVS must constantly fly in all player phases in order to prevent extended periods of isolation. This certainly will increase Soviet air losses.
This week, jubjub chose the first course of action, choosing to fly naval patrols only on his turn. Three fighter gruppen, FW-190s all are up against four Soviet fighter divisions with an assortment of LaGGs, MiGs and Yaks in the fight for Leningrad.
The Battle of Leningrad resumes.
Naval troop transports that are available can only move one understrength rifle division across Lake Ladoga in any given week. For that reason there is little point in an evacuation. The 4th Shock and 55th Armies with over 200,000 men between them are in a fight to the bitter end.
There are two proper ways to try and siege out Leningrad. Both involve successful naval patrolling over Lake Ladoga. If the Luftwaffe only flies during the Axis turn and isolate the port of Osinovets, little to no supplies can be pushed over the water route. This is the slower and more strangulating approach. The other option is to fly during both player phases and attack the ground forces once the port of Osinovets has been successfully isolated over multiple consecutive isolation turns.
The Soviet player is at a disadvantage here, because there is no way of knowing what the Axis player has planned for, therefore the VVS must constantly fly in all player phases in order to prevent extended periods of isolation. This certainly will increase Soviet air losses.
This week, jubjub chose the first course of action, choosing to fly naval patrols only on his turn. Three fighter gruppen, FW-190s all are up against four Soviet fighter divisions with an assortment of LaGGs, MiGs and Yaks in the fight for Leningrad.
Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)
This is only a test.
Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)
Ya the air war is interesting, playing this again in PBEM and I just laugh at the air exchanges its so one-sided just like all the ground combat.
You would think the Soviets were only armed with sticks and stones with how poorly they fight in 1941. I understand many axis players need lots of help to be successful, but the losses for early 1941 are just to absurd levels in WITE 2....oh we lost the battle we just all die.....almost every attack is just instant death to the defending soviet division----there is no historical accuracy to this and its purely bad made up game mechanics to make it happen. When the German player doesn't even need to do encirclements to reduce the Soviet OOB and takes almost no German losses assaulting rested, morale/exp to max 50 lvl, in dense terrain and fortified Russian-----it makes the game pretty laughable as far as any kind of realism.
At least in WITE 1 the German players needed some skill and had to use encirclements to reduce the Soviet OOB.
Just a little rant running the Soviets to T7 so far lol......
You would think the Soviets were only armed with sticks and stones with how poorly they fight in 1941. I understand many axis players need lots of help to be successful, but the losses for early 1941 are just to absurd levels in WITE 2....oh we lost the battle we just all die.....almost every attack is just instant death to the defending soviet division----there is no historical accuracy to this and its purely bad made up game mechanics to make it happen. When the German player doesn't even need to do encirclements to reduce the Soviet OOB and takes almost no German losses assaulting rested, morale/exp to max 50 lvl, in dense terrain and fortified Russian-----it makes the game pretty laughable as far as any kind of realism.
At least in WITE 1 the German players needed some skill and had to use encirclements to reduce the Soviet OOB.
Just a little rant running the Soviets to T7 so far lol......
Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)
Agreed. I’ve long contended the engine is too complex and ought to simplified. And don’t even let me start on all the exploits this enables, they are all well documented on the forum anyway.chaos45 wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 11:28 pm Ya the air war is interesting, playing this again in PBEM and I just laugh at the air exchanges its so one-sided just like all the ground combat.
You would think the Soviets were only armed with sticks and stones with how poorly they fight in 1941. I understand many axis players need lots of help to be successful, but the losses for early 1941 are just to absurd levels in WITE 2....oh we lost the battle we just all die.....almost every attack is just instant death to the defending soviet division----there is no historical accuracy to this and its purely bad made up game mechanics to make it happen. When the German player doesn't even need to do encirclements to reduce the Soviet OOB and takes almost no German losses assaulting rested, morale/exp to max 50 lvl, in dense terrain and fortified Russian-----it makes the game pretty laughable as far as any kind of realism.
RKhan
Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)
I like this move and infer the location of the Air Command doesn't matter. I suppose it should be close to the Volkhov Front but that may not matter either.The Volkov Air Command this week takes responsibility for all recon groups of the VVS.
You're doing well to have 400+ recon aircraft at this point. What are your tactics for minimizing Recon casualties?
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Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)
Set your directive to fly 2 planes a day for 7 days over your target. Your planes are often ignored.Shupov wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:54 pmI like this move and infer the location of the Air Command doesn't matter. I suppose it should be close to the Volkhov Front but that may not matter either.The Volkov Air Command this week takes responsibility for all recon groups of the VVS.
You're doing well to have 400+ recon aircraft at this point. What are your tactics for minimizing Recon casualties?
Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)
Thanks M60, I followed your advice and it seems my Recon losses were reduced. However, more than 2 Recon aircraft are being flown per mission (4 to 6 aircraft is typical). I had set the Min AC per air group to 0 and the Req AC to 2. Am I missing something?Set your directive to fly 2 planes a day for 7 days over your target. Your planes are often ignored.
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Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)
Not sure, is Strike num set to auto (2) or 1?
Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)
Auto (2). It looks like the displayed number of aircraft flown is actually the # aircraft times the number of strikes over the course of the air phase.
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Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)
Yes, so set Strike num to 1.
I also transferred just about all recon planes, mostly R-10s, from the Far East.
Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)
Week 47 continued
North of Orel, a series of air battles takes place. These are part of ground attacks launched in order to assist our ground forces storming the Oka River defenses.
Here, I./JG51 loses 5 fighters while downing 58 Soviet fighters and 76 bombers.
After the supportive air strikes, our ground attacks force several German divisions back, allowing Bryansk Front to form a bridgehead of the western bank of the Oka.
In the area southwest of Stalingrad, 8th Panzer Division comes under air attack at Surovikino by newly designated 4th Air Army.
In the far south, Krasnodar is at risk of capture. Our air forces hit what is possibly a panzer division at Nevinnomyssk.
Total air losses this week were 87 Axis to 1,110 Soviet. We disband a few fighter units to release some more experienced pilots to replace some of our pilot losses. This accelerated rate of loss can be expected to continue in the next couple weeks as the ground offensive continues to develop in center and Leningrad is kept supplied.
Total Axis losses during the air phase amounted to 4,658 men, 92 guns, and 7 AFVs.
North of Orel, a series of air battles takes place. These are part of ground attacks launched in order to assist our ground forces storming the Oka River defenses.
Here, I./JG51 loses 5 fighters while downing 58 Soviet fighters and 76 bombers.
After the supportive air strikes, our ground attacks force several German divisions back, allowing Bryansk Front to form a bridgehead of the western bank of the Oka.
In the area southwest of Stalingrad, 8th Panzer Division comes under air attack at Surovikino by newly designated 4th Air Army.
In the far south, Krasnodar is at risk of capture. Our air forces hit what is possibly a panzer division at Nevinnomyssk.
Total air losses this week were 87 Axis to 1,110 Soviet. We disband a few fighter units to release some more experienced pilots to replace some of our pilot losses. This accelerated rate of loss can be expected to continue in the next couple weeks as the ground offensive continues to develop in center and Leningrad is kept supplied.
Total Axis losses during the air phase amounted to 4,658 men, 92 guns, and 7 AFVs.
Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)
Week 48 - 17 May 1942
The Axis plan for Leningrad is a simple one, interdict Lake Ladoga in order to reduce supplies coming into our port at Osinovets. This will prevent not only fuel and ammunition from arriving but will prohibit the repair of all our damaged ground elements. Eventually all of the defending units will be reduced to a fraction of their normal strength that can be taken down in time, which he has more than enough of here.
Reinforcing or evacuating the Leningrad area is really difficult to do other than literally by one under-strength division at a time. Although there are adequate cargo ships, these are interdicted, while troop transport is limited to 2k transport cost which is lower than most rifle divisions.
Air battles over Ladoga result in significant VVS losses once again. During the Axis air phase, the Luftwaffe loses 18 aircraft, 11 of these due to operational losses.
During the Soviet air phase, our losses are significant. The last of four air battles is particularly one-sided.
The first Axis ground attack against Osinovets fails. The Germans have no lack of heavy artillery, while Ivan Bagramyan must rely on 120mm mortars to help hold the line.
The Axis plan for Leningrad is a simple one, interdict Lake Ladoga in order to reduce supplies coming into our port at Osinovets. This will prevent not only fuel and ammunition from arriving but will prohibit the repair of all our damaged ground elements. Eventually all of the defending units will be reduced to a fraction of their normal strength that can be taken down in time, which he has more than enough of here.
Reinforcing or evacuating the Leningrad area is really difficult to do other than literally by one under-strength division at a time. Although there are adequate cargo ships, these are interdicted, while troop transport is limited to 2k transport cost which is lower than most rifle divisions.
Air battles over Ladoga result in significant VVS losses once again. During the Axis air phase, the Luftwaffe loses 18 aircraft, 11 of these due to operational losses.
During the Soviet air phase, our losses are significant. The last of four air battles is particularly one-sided.
The first Axis ground attack against Osinovets fails. The Germans have no lack of heavy artillery, while Ivan Bagramyan must rely on 120mm mortars to help hold the line.
Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)
During the air phase, a total of 6,321 bomber and 3,157 fighter sorties are launched against multiple targets in the Orel, Krasnodar and Stalingrad areas of operations.
Flak and Operational Losses during the phase are significant. The loss of over 400 IL-2s is not something that we can afford long-term, never mind the heightened fighter losses.
Weekly Axis casualties for an air phase reach an all-time high, although it is more of an anomaly. Ideally we are looking for sustainable air losses and consistent Axis ground losses due to ground attack. During the ground phase, we have the option of putting the IL-2s on rest and allowing Pe-2s and A-20s to provide the needed ground support.
Flak and Operational Losses during the phase are significant. The loss of over 400 IL-2s is not something that we can afford long-term, never mind the heightened fighter losses.
Weekly Axis casualties for an air phase reach an all-time high, although it is more of an anomaly. Ideally we are looking for sustainable air losses and consistent Axis ground losses due to ground attack. During the ground phase, we have the option of putting the IL-2s on rest and allowing Pe-2s and A-20s to provide the needed ground support.
Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)
In the last post, the weekly total Soviet air losses were higher than what was shown. Here were the losses for Turn 48.
Week 49 24 May 1942
Up north, the German attack against Osinovets is a success. All the remaining Leningrad forces are now isolated.
It is now time for the airlift to keep the forces of Leningrad fighting. A total of 574 tons of supplies are flown into the pocket.
South of Kaluga and on the western bank of the Oka, our supporting air attacks do some damage. Note how German fighters operating from Kaluga conducted air intercepts some 40 miles deep into our territory.
At Stalingrad, 9th Panzer Division crosses the Volga, but after a series of air attacks, combined with a Soviet counterattack, 9th Panzer is thrown back across the river.
Farther south with Krasnodar and Maikop taken, Axis forces are advancing east towards Grozny.
Total air losses this week were 827 Soviet to 67 Axis. A good number of these were over Lake Ladoga. With air action now being reduced to air transport missions going forward, our air losses will drop considerably in the following weeks.
Soviet ground attack missions this week generated 1,458 Axis casualties, well down from the previous week as only half our IL-2 formations were in action.
Week 49 24 May 1942
Up north, the German attack against Osinovets is a success. All the remaining Leningrad forces are now isolated.
It is now time for the airlift to keep the forces of Leningrad fighting. A total of 574 tons of supplies are flown into the pocket.
South of Kaluga and on the western bank of the Oka, our supporting air attacks do some damage. Note how German fighters operating from Kaluga conducted air intercepts some 40 miles deep into our territory.
At Stalingrad, 9th Panzer Division crosses the Volga, but after a series of air attacks, combined with a Soviet counterattack, 9th Panzer is thrown back across the river.
Farther south with Krasnodar and Maikop taken, Axis forces are advancing east towards Grozny.
Total air losses this week were 827 Soviet to 67 Axis. A good number of these were over Lake Ladoga. With air action now being reduced to air transport missions going forward, our air losses will drop considerably in the following weeks.
Soviet ground attack missions this week generated 1,458 Axis casualties, well down from the previous week as only half our IL-2 formations were in action.
Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)
Hi
From the looks of the situation up North it appears you may lose Leningrad and from one of your other screen shots The Axis are only 40 miles from Tula, The Axis drive in The Caucuses looks solid from what I can view, but what is the situation on The Moscow front, has Kalinin fallen ? is Moscow threatened with encirclement ?
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From the looks of the situation up North it appears you may lose Leningrad and from one of your other screen shots The Axis are only 40 miles from Tula, The Axis drive in The Caucuses looks solid from what I can view, but what is the situation on The Moscow front, has Kalinin fallen ? is Moscow threatened with encirclement ?
regards
Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)
The Moscow-Kaluga Axis has been relatively unchanged since the end of the 1941 Campaign.
Both sides are well entrenched. As far as Tula goes, Bryansk Front has been pushing the Germans back bit by bit and is gradually cementing positions along the Zhizdra River. This puts Orel under increasing threat if we swing south. It is for this reason that the better part of two panzer armies are being held down as we push forward.
Both sides are well entrenched. As far as Tula goes, Bryansk Front has been pushing the Germans back bit by bit and is gradually cementing positions along the Zhizdra River. This puts Orel under increasing threat if we swing south. It is for this reason that the better part of two panzer armies are being held down as we push forward.
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Which mod are you using for the map?
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