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Navy Leverages Workforce; Delivers C-ISR Capability Rapidly to Surface Fleet
Story Number: NNS200220-09Release Date: 2/20/2020 2:22:00 PMA A A Email this story to a friend Print this story
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WASHINGTON (NNS) -- The U.S. Navy recently installed the first Optical Dazzling Interdictor, Navy (ODIN), a laser weapon system that allows a ship to counter unmanned aerial systems. The first system was installed on the Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer USS Dewey (DDG 105), during her recently completed Dry-Docking Selected Restricted Availability.

ODIN’s development, testing and production was done by Navy subject matter experts at Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC) Dahlgren Division in support of Program Executive Office Integrated Warfare Systems. Their work on the laser weapon system known as LaWS, positioned them to be designated as the design and production agent for ODIN.

During his recent visit on USS Dewey, Mr. James F. Geurts, assistant secretary of the Navy for research development and acquisition (ASN (RDA)) was impressed with the rapid progress made by the team. Geurts stated, “This is a great example of our organic talent at the warfare centers all working together with ship’s company to deliver a system which will provide game-changing capability. Bravo Zulu to the entire ODIN team on being mission-focused and delivering lethal capability to the warfighter.”

Going from an approved idea to installation in two and a half years, ODIN’s install on Dewey will be the first operational employment of the stand-alone system that functions as a dazzler. The system allows the Navy to rapidly deploy an important, new capability to the Navy’s surface force in combating Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UAS) threats.

UAS production and employment has increased significantly, and ODIN was developed to counter these threats.

“The Pacific Fleet Commander identified this urgent Counter-Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance need and the Chief of Naval Operations directed us to fill it as quickly as possible,” said Cmdr. David Wolfe, Program Executive Office Integrated Warfare Systems Directed Energy office. “The NSWC Dahlgren Division team did an amazing job addressing challenges and keeping our accelerated schedule on track and moving forward to deliver this capability.”

Within the next couple of years, the ODIN program will have all units operational within the fleet providing a safer and more technically advanced capability to the US Navy. Lessons learned from ODIN’s installation on Dewey will inform installation on future vessels and further development and implementation of Surface Navy Laser Weapon Systems.
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New decoys will give U.S. Navy subs more confidence:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... -russia-or

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Hypersonics in the news yet again ...

https://defence-blog.com/army/u-s-army- ... eapon.html
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Interesting concept:

Capable of protecting the USAF ’s high value airborne assets (HVAA) in a contested environment makes the Defender a critical piece of the Future Force
#AWS20 #AFA
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ORIGINAL: kevinkins

GIUK gap in the news:

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/secur ... wegian-sea

Probably it occurs due to deployment US and GB submarines for ICEX-2020
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Recent combat video:

https://defence-blog.com/army/turkey-re ... syria.html

It's doubtful. On the video SAM looks like Tor, not Pantsir.

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And another Pantsir destroyed in Syria by Turkish drone. I'm really suprised how badly Pantsirs perform against those drones, especially if one considers that Turkey is probably using drones armed with MAM-L which has only 8km range.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uxuLQL ... =emb_title
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Thanks for posting that. A lot of players are following the developing situation in Syria and more specifically the Pantsir. No one seems to know how to use that weapon system and it appears to be a death trap to be anywhere near it. If the reports and vids are accurate ... who knows at this point.

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ORIGINAL: x2oop

And another Pantsir destroyed in Syria by Turkish drone. I'm really suprised how badly Pantsirs perform against those drones, especially if one considers that Turkey is probably using drones armed with MAM-L which has only 8km range.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uxuLQL ... =emb_title

Yet another video provoking thoughts. Lets us understand - what really we see on this video. There is a vessel that looks like Patnsir. There are deep wheel tracks on some weak soil (tillage?). The SAM does not fire.
To thoughts. As we know Pantsir ammunition are 12 missiles and 1400 30-mm shells. Based on experience Pantsir already downed not only UAV, even 122-mm rocket projectiles (see Lybia, Syria). So, ANKA and Bayrakat TB2 are not hard target for Pantsir. From here it follows logically that SAM already shoot all their ammos and would have to down one or more UAV. Why we don't know about such events? May be video is fake?
Lets assume it's not fake. Single unarmed SAM was destroyed. Why SAM is single, why reloaded SAM is not covered by another SAMs? These are questions to operators, not to technical characteristics of SAM.

And another thoughs inspired by deep wheel tracks. As I know Pantsir has any difficulty with cross-country. Moreover high center of gravity keep Pantsir out of sharp turns.
Result could be bad: Image
But on the video turn is near 90 degree... May be video is fake?
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Don't believe the propaganda in either camp. [;)]
This system works in many contexts and the international sales to non typical Russian customers endorse it.
Are Brazil UAE just buying expensive stuff for the sake of it without trials and tests?
Russian sources have acknowledged issues with detecting small UAV and the radar, hence the improved Pantsir SM.
The vast majority of the videos of Pantsir being destroyed show systems that appear to have missile tubes and gun barrels pointing toward the ground, not elevated or even orientated toward a threat.
Plus there is no verified context time line or date.

Fire 13 missiles plus decoys at the right moment at a weapon system defending itself with 12 missiles and no 30mm left and the maths is simple.

Pantsir not working is more about timing tactics and logistics than the system itself.
IMHO etc
ORIGINAL: kevinkins

Thanks for posting that. A lot of players are following the developing situation in Syria and more specifically the Pantsir. No one seems to know how to use that weapon system and it appears to be a death trap to be anywhere near it. If the reports and vids are accurate ... who knows at this point.

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ORIGINAL: Filitch
To thoughts. As we know Pantsir ammunition are 12 missiles and 1400 30-mm shells. Based on experience Pantsir already downed not only UAV, even 122-mm rocket projectiles (see Lybia, Syria). So, ANKA and Bayrakat TB2 are not hard target for Pantsir.

Says ZvezdaTV? Pantsir actually has huge problems with detecting slow flying UAVs and that's the reasons there is now Tor deployed to guard Khmeimim AB in Syria.

If we look at Pantsir's surveillance radar:
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we will see that it detects targets with radial speed from 30 m/s to 1000 m/s. Meaning the minimum speed of the target has to be 108 km/h. During trials in Russia they shoot down drones flying with 200 to 300 km/h - in those cases yeah it works as advertised. But slower UAVs turned out to be a big problem. For example the Turkey's main armed drone Bayraktar TB2 has a cruise speed of just 130 km/h. Obviously it can fly slower than that which is dangerously close to the Pantsir's minimum. Besides even with 130 km/h it just needs to fly at angle >33° relative to the Pantsir in order to be under the minimal threshold and is in such scenario simply "invisible" for the operators inside the Pantsir... That's how you get close and circle above it (in it's blind zone) without being detected.

And about the guns - it's common knowledge that the gun's accuracy against anything smaller than a fighter jet is absolutely terrible. It's no wonder the Syrian Pantsir didn't try to use gun against the Israeli's Delilah missile that destroyed it after missing with 2 missiles before that. The guns can't even shoot down UAVs on shooting ranges, there are videos about it from Russia...

No need to be fanboys that are incapable of critical thinking - the Pantsir S1 is not a Wunderwaffe which can only be destroyed if it's out of ammo already after shooting down everything that was thrown at it with 100% accuracy...
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In the same vein ref tactics and logisitics of course your Patriots have to be in-situ and pointing in the right direction to avoid being circumvented by a known opposition cruise missile threat. It doesn't mean Patriot is not effective in context. Nor is it a wunderwaffen.
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ORIGINAL: Sharana
Says ZvezdaTV?
We are discussing or trading barbs?

Your calculations is right. But for boundary conditions. This is about cruise speed of UAVS. And you right that Pantsir has some disadvantages. Albeit low speed limit value I saw for new S-band radar, not for 1RS1-E which mounted on Syrian Pantsirs. Moreover radial speed from point of attacked SAM could be below than detected speed, but from point of covering SAM - doesn't. So once again - why SAM is single?
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https://www.armyrecognition.com/march_2 ... ogram.html
Back to news, JAGM Joint Armored Ground Mobility System (JAGMS), not Joint Air to Ground Missile System.
This acronym business is getting far too complicated!
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ORIGINAL: KLAB

In the same vein ref tactics and logisitics of course your Patriots have to be in-situ and pointing in the right direction to avoid being circumvented by a known opposition cruise missile threat. It doesn't mean Patriot is not effective in context. Nor is it a wunderwaffen.

Far from it and that's why you won't find many people claiming it had to be out of munitions or offline if it was destroyed - other cases are unthinkable. Which is kind of what both of you were implying.
ORIGINAL: FilitchSo once again - why SAM is single?
It's either Syria or Libya, how many can there be? If it's Syria there are like what 30 left, unknown amount of which are combat ready and lots of strategic objects to cover - mainly in south Syria ofc where IAF mainly strikes.
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https://youtu.be/NI0REqlYhmc
My discussion point, admittedly poorly made, was only that Pantsir isn't infallible but isn't junk either.
From the You Tube clip:
It's a discussion point that the missiles being fired by the Pantsir as the Delilah(*?) closes in appear to be going off course at launch and make an interesting comparison to the straight line of missiles being fired on a range?
If the missiles don't hit what they're fired at then you run out of ways of defending yourself quickly.

Plus with an admittedly cursory search of images this was the only one with a Pantsir actually unequivocally firing as its destroyed.

Back to news on the same theme at least my point isn't as bizarre as this from RG! 😁 ROLAND really?
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In an integrated AD net, Pantsir is an effective weapon.

By itself, it's just another target.
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