Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests

[mikmykWS]

Added to the CWDB list. Thanks!

Mike

[.Sirius]

Hi thanks will update the DB Platforms

[MaxManus81]

SHU-16B Albatross lacks AN/APS-88 search radar, at least according to Norwegian sources. All SHU-16's in the game just have a generic weather radar making them less than optimal for marine surveillance and patrol.

[.Sirius]

Hi just checked quite efew versions had the AN/APS-31 Surface Search Radar so will update

ORIGINAL: MaxManus81

SHU-16B Albatross lacks AN/APS-88 search radar, at least according to Norwegian sources. All SHU-16's in the game just have a generic weather radar making them less than optimal for marine surveillance and patrol.

[Broncepulido]

For sake of more clarity: as estated in "Naval Fighters Number Eleven. HU-16 Albatross", Steve Ginter, 1984 (and oficial Standard Data Charts), the earlier SAR variants were equiped with the small nose APS-31 radar.
Only from 1961 is produced the HU-16/ASW(1) or SHU-16B ASW variant, mainly for export, all equiped with big nose APS-88 radar (and 16 internal sonobuoys Julie/Jezebel), employed by Spain, Norway, Greece (ex-Norwegian), Chile, Peru and Thailand.

Link to the SAR variant with APS-31 radar:
http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/UF-2_A ... t_1961.pdf
( here a lot of Standard Aircraft Characteristic cards: http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/SAC.htm )

Image of a SAR variant, small nose and APS-31:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... 1950s.jpeg

Image of a ASW variant, big nose and APS-88 (read the caption about number and users):
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... AN1-62.jpg

[.Sirius]

Hi thanks for this will update the DB when I get it back of Ragnar

ORIGINAL: Broncepulido

For sake of more clarity: as estated in "Naval Fighters Number Eleven. HU-16 Albatross", Steve Ginter, 1984 (and oficial Standard Data Charts), the earlier SAR variants were equiped with the small nose APS-31 radar.
Only from 1961 is produced the HU-16/ASW(1) or SHU-16B ASW variant, mainly for export, all equiped with big nose APS-88 radar (and 16 internal sonobuoys Julie/Jezebel), employed by Spain, Norway, Greece (ex-Norwegian), Chile, Peru and Thailand.

Link to the SAR variant with APS-31 radar:
http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/UF-2_A ... t_1961.pdf
( here a lot of Standard Aircraft Characteristic cards: http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/SAC.htm )

Image of a SAR variant, small nose and APS-31:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... 1950s.jpeg

Image of a ASW variant, big nose and APS-88 (read the caption about number and users):
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... AN1-62.jpg

[MaxManus81]

Found a small error on the 1972 versions of the A-7E Corsair II and A-6E Intruder. The A-7E is in the loadout description supposed to carry the AGM-62 Walleye II ER/DL version requireing a AAW-9 datalink. The loadout displayed is earlier non-datalink Walleye II with shorter range and no datalink pod. The A-6E is the opposite, description Walleye II, carries Walleye II ER/DL. The Intruders also don't seem to need a datalink pod to use these to their full potential.

The 1975 versions of both aircraft are correct though, both now got datalink pods and the correct version Walleye II's.

This is a minor nitpick though, just thought it worth mentioning.

[.Sirius]

Hi thanks good catch will update the platforms

ORIGINAL: MaxManus81

Found a small error on the 1972 versions of the A-7E Corsair II and A-6E Intruder. The A-7E is in the loadout description supposed to carry the AGM-62 Walleye II ER/DL version requireing a AAW-9 datalink. The loadout displayed is earlier non-datalink Walleye II with shorter range and no datalink pod. The A-6E is the opposite, description Walleye II, carries Walleye II ER/DL. The Intruders also don't seem to need a datalink pod to use these to their full potential.

The 1975 versions of both aircraft are correct though, both now got datalink pods and the correct version Walleye II's.

This is a minor nitpick though, just thought it worth mentioning.

[taffthomas]

Very Minor point
Lightning F6 loadout
When you select Firestreak Long Range it loads Red Top
When you select Redtop Long Range it loads Firestreak

[.Sirius]

Thanks noted

ORIGINAL: taffthomas

Very Minor point
Lightning F6 loadout
When you select Firestreak Long Range it loads Red Top
When you select Redtop Long Range it loads Firestreak

[ChezDaJez]

Posted this in another thread but will do here again.

CWDB 418

Loaded the CWDB Argentina database into a Falklands scenario I'm building. Attempted to have a very large aircraft such as P-2H and C-130 fly from several different Argentine bases. None would launch. Instead I kept getting the cue "Waiting for available taxiway". Messed around with it a lot without joy. Then I noticed that none of the Argentine airbases have runway access for very large aircraft. When I added a very large aircraft runway access point or taxiway, the aircraft flew as desired.

Each applicable airfield needs to have very large aircraft runway or taxiway access added.

Chez

[.Sirius]

Noted will update

ORIGINAL: ChezDaJez

Posted this in another thread but will do here again.

CWDB 418

Loaded the CWDB Argentina database into a Falklands scenario I'm building. Attempted to have a very large aircraft such as P-2H and C-130 fly from several different Argentine bases. None would launch. Instead I kept getting the cue "Waiting for available taxiway". Messed around with it a lot without joy. Then I noticed that none of the Argentine airbases have runway access for very large aircraft. When I added a very large aircraft runway access point or taxiway, the aircraft flew as desired.

Each applicable airfield needs to have very large aircraft runway or taxiway access added.

Chez

[poosd]

Came across this while dealing with the Generic German U-boat listing in the CWDB

Missing U Boat guns. Below from Wikipedia...

Type VIIC. 1 × 8.8 cm SK C/35 naval gun[3] with 220 rounds, various antiaircraft weaponry (2 cm (0.79 in)anti-aircraft guns.

"The Type VIIC was the workhorse of the German U-boat force, with 568 commissioned from 1940 to 1945.
The first VIIC boat commissioned was the U-69 in 1940. The Type VIIC was an effective fighting machine and
was seen almost everywhere U-boats operated, although its range of only 6,500 nautical miles was not as great as that of the
larger Type IX (11,000 nautical miles), severely limiting the time it could spend in the far reaches of the western and southern
Atlantic without refueling from a tender or U-boat tanker. The VIIC came into service toward the end of the "First Happy Time"
near the beginning of the war and was still the most numerous type in service when Allied anti-submarine efforts finally defeated the
U-boat campaign in late 1943 and 1944.

Type VIIC differed from the VIIB only in the addition of an active sonar and a few minor mechanical improvements, making it 2 feet longer and 8 tons heavier.
Speed and range were essentially the same. Many of these boats were fitted with snorkels in 1944 and 1945.
They had the same torpedo tube arrangement as their predecessors, except for U-72, U-78, U-80, U-554, and U-555,
which had only two bow tubes, and for U-203, U-331, U-351, U-401, U-431, and U-651, which had no stern tube.

On the surface the boats (except for U-88, U-90 and U-132 to U-136 which used MAN M6V40/46s) were propelled
by two supercharged Germaniawerft, 6 cylinder, 4-stroke M6V 40/46 diesels totaling 2,800 to 3,200 hp (2,100 to 2,400 kW)
at 470 to 490 rpm.

For submerged propulsion, several different electric motors were used. Early models used the VIIB configuration of two
AEG GU 460/8-276 electric motors, totaling 750 hp (560 kW) with a max rpm of 296, while newer boats used two BBC GG UB 720/8,
two GL (Garbe, Lahmeyer & Co.) RP 137/c electric motors or two Siemens-Schuckert-Werke (SSW) GU 343/38-8 electric motors
with the same power output as the AEG motors.

Perhaps the most famous VIIC boat was U-96, featured in the movie Das Boot."

"Type IXB.
10.5 cm (4.1 in) SK L/45 deck gun with 180 rounds on a Utof mount.
The last piece of armament that the Type IXB submarines were equipped with were the standard 2 cm (0.79 in)
anti-aircraft guns.

All Type IXB submarines had 1,000 hp (746 kW) while submerged and 4,400 hp (3,281 kW) when surfaced. As a result they could travel at
18.2 kn (33.7 km/h; 20.9 mph) while surfaced and 7.3 knots (13.5 km/h) submerged. The Type IXB submarines had a range of 12,000 nmi
(22,000 km) at 10 knots (19 km/h; 12 mph) while on the surface and 64 nmi (119 km) at 4 kn (7.4 km/h; 4.6 mph) while submerged.
They had 6 torpedo tubes (4 in the bow, 2 in the stern) and carried a total of 22 53.3 cm (21 in) torpedoes. Unlike the earlier Type IXAs,
the Type IXB submarines were equipped with 44 TMA mines as well. The Type IXB submarines were equipped with a 10.5 cm (4.1 in) SK L/45 deck gun
with 180 rounds on a Utof mount. The last piece of armament that the Type IXB submarines were equipped with were the standard 2 cm (0.79 in)
anti-aircraft guns. All Type IXB submarines could hold up to 56 crew members at any given time though that number was usually around
45–48 crew members. After being commissioned and deployed, all of the Type IXB submarines built prior to the fall of France were stationed
in the German port city of Wilhelmshaven while those who were commissioned following the capture of numerous French ports during the Battle
of France were stationed in Lorient."

Thanks,
Dean

[.Sirius]

No probs thanks its on the to do list

ORIGINAL: poosd

Came across this while dealing with the Generic German U-boat listing in the CWDB

Missing U Boat guns. Below from Wikipedia...

Type VIIC. 1 × 8.8 cm SK C/35 naval gun[3] with 220 rounds, various antiaircraft weaponry (2 cm (0.79 in)anti-aircraft guns.

"The Type VIIC was the workhorse of the German U-boat force, with 568 commissioned from 1940 to 1945.
The first VIIC boat commissioned was the U-69 in 1940. The Type VIIC was an effective fighting machine and
was seen almost everywhere U-boats operated, although its range of only 6,500 nautical miles was not as great as that of the
larger Type IX (11,000 nautical miles), severely limiting the time it could spend in the far reaches of the western and southern
Atlantic without refueling from a tender or U-boat tanker. The VIIC came into service toward the end of the "First Happy Time"
near the beginning of the war and was still the most numerous type in service when Allied anti-submarine efforts finally defeated the
U-boat campaign in late 1943 and 1944.

Type VIIC differed from the VIIB only in the addition of an active sonar and a few minor mechanical improvements, making it 2 feet longer and 8 tons heavier.
Speed and range were essentially the same. Many of these boats were fitted with snorkels in 1944 and 1945.
They had the same torpedo tube arrangement as their predecessors, except for U-72, U-78, U-80, U-554, and U-555,
which had only two bow tubes, and for U-203, U-331, U-351, U-401, U-431, and U-651, which had no stern tube.

On the surface the boats (except for U-88, U-90 and U-132 to U-136 which used MAN M6V40/46s) were propelled
by two supercharged Germaniawerft, 6 cylinder, 4-stroke M6V 40/46 diesels totaling 2,800 to 3,200 hp (2,100 to 2,400 kW)
at 470 to 490 rpm.

For submerged propulsion, several different electric motors were used. Early models used the VIIB configuration of two
AEG GU 460/8-276 electric motors, totaling 750 hp (560 kW) with a max rpm of 296, while newer boats used two BBC GG UB 720/8,
two GL (Garbe, Lahmeyer & Co.) RP 137/c electric motors or two Siemens-Schuckert-Werke (SSW) GU 343/38-8 electric motors
with the same power output as the AEG motors.

Perhaps the most famous VIIC boat was U-96, featured in the movie Das Boot."

"Type IXB.
10.5 cm (4.1 in) SK L/45 deck gun with 180 rounds on a Utof mount.
The last piece of armament that the Type IXB submarines were equipped with were the standard 2 cm (0.79 in)
anti-aircraft guns.

All Type IXB submarines had 1,000 hp (746 kW) while submerged and 4,400 hp (3,281 kW) when surfaced. As a result they could travel at
18.2 kn (33.7 km/h; 20.9 mph) while surfaced and 7.3 knots (13.5 km/h) submerged. The Type IXB submarines had a range of 12,000 nmi
(22,000 km) at 10 knots (19 km/h; 12 mph) while on the surface and 64 nmi (119 km) at 4 kn (7.4 km/h; 4.6 mph) while submerged.
They had 6 torpedo tubes (4 in the bow, 2 in the stern) and carried a total of 22 53.3 cm (21 in) torpedoes. Unlike the earlier Type IXAs,
the Type IXB submarines were equipped with 44 TMA mines as well. The Type IXB submarines were equipped with a 10.5 cm (4.1 in) SK L/45 deck gun
with 180 rounds on a Utof mount. The last piece of armament that the Type IXB submarines were equipped with were the standard 2 cm (0.79 in)
anti-aircraft guns. All Type IXB submarines could hold up to 56 crew members at any given time though that number was usually around
45–48 crew members. After being commissioned and deployed, all of the Type IXB submarines built prior to the fall of France were stationed
in the German port city of Wilhelmshaven while those who were commissioned following the capture of numerous French ports during the Battle
of France were stationed in Lorient."

Thanks,
Dean

[poosd]

Just found the same for the Type XXI (CWDB Database #464).

Info from Wikipedia.
"Armament: 6 ¡Á 53.3 cm (21.0 in) torpedo tubes (bow), 23 torpedoes (or 17 torpedoes and 12 mines, 4 x 2 cm (0.8 in) anti-aircraft guns (*guns are not listed in entry for #464 in db).

Type XXI U-boats, also known as "Elektroboote" (German: "electric boats"), were the first submarines designed to operate primarily submerged, rather than as surface ships that could submerge as a means to escape detection or launch an attack.
The key features of the Type XXI were the hydrodynamically streamlined hull and conning tower, and the large number of battery cells, roughly triple that of the Type VIIC. This gave these boats great underwater range, and dramatically reduced the time spent on or near the surface. They could travel submerged at about 5 kn (5.8 mph or 9.3 km/h) for two or three days before recharging batteries, which took less than five hours using the snorkel. The Type XXI was also far quieter than the VIIC, making it harder to detect when submerged.
The Type XXI's streamlined and hydrodynamically clean hull design, even featuring retractable forward hydroplanes and a teardrop-shaped sonar array in the ventral end of the stem as designed ¡ª allowed high submerged speed. The ability to outrun many surface ships while submerged, combined with improved dive times (also a product of the new hull form), made it far harder to chase and destroy. It also gave the boat a 'sprint ability' when positioning itself for an attack. Older boats had to surface to sprint into position. This often revealed a boat's location, especially after aircraft became available for convoy escort. The new hull design also reduced visibility by marine or airborne radar when surfaced; whether this was a goal of the design or coincidence is still debated.
They also featured a hydraulic torpedo reloading system that allowed all six bow torpedo tubes to be reloaded faster than a Type VIIC could reload one tube.[citation needed] The Type XXI could fire 18 torpedoes in under 20 minutes. The class also featured a very sensitive passive sonar for the time, housed in the "chin" of the hull."

***The following thought came about after reading "Red Storm Rising" by Mr. Clancy. Specifically..."In Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising, a Victor-class submarine stakes out a New York to Europe convoy to reinforce NATO against a Soviet attack by sitting next to the wreck of the Andrea Doria (40¡ã29¡ä30¡åN 69¡ã51¡ä0¡åW) - hoping to confuse MAD readings. USS Reuben James (FFG-57) and HMS Battleaxe (F89), working in conjunction, use their helicopters to find and destroy the submarine."

To that end, I was also wondering...how about some generic sunken ships of various sizes. We have "Biologics" and "False Contacts", both are classified as Submarines, but all display as "Properties - Non magnetic hull", so I am assuming that you would not get a MAD contact using these. Here's my thoughts (for what they are worth). Speed - 0, Depth - As deep as possible, Properties - Small, Medium and Large magnetic hull. As far as passive sonar contact, shouldn't show much if anything, but could? Active sonar...that may take some thought. If a wreck is detectable via active sonar in some form, you open up a whole range of "Hunting shipwrecks" scenario's...maybe with side scan sonar?

***Also, anyone got a photo of a #1564 Bottom Fixed Array (SOSUS)? I can't seem to find one, even though the technology appears outdated. Plenty of pictures of NavFacs (on shore portion of SOSUS).

Just some thoughts!
Dean

[MaxManus81]

Might be a small error, but in game the Soviet MiG-17 Fresco-E has the wrong designation, should be MiG-17PFU or PM, not 17F. Also it's gun armament was deleted in favour of the Kalinigrad K-5 (AA-1) missile.

The MiG-17PF Fresco-D can also carry the K-5 missile in game but as I understand it this model was an all weather MiG-17F Fresco-C with no missiles.

Minor nitpick, but it would create a clear difference between the Fresco-D and E model.

[MR_BURNS2]

#1857 - KC-135F Stratotanker and #782 - KC-135FR Stratotanker

Internet pictures show them with wing drogues and centerline drogue or Boom

http://www.ecpad.fr/wp-content/gallery/ ... 3-0004.jpg

http://www.airlinerphotos.com/main.php? ... alNumber=2

http://media.defenceindustrydaily.com/i ... nch_lg.jpg

http://www.fliegerweb.com/user_bilder/C ... 00x263.jpg


Tankers with a boom can either use their boom or attach a drogue, but not both. I wonder how we could model this in CMANO, maybe make a different mount for each and according loadouts?
That would add a little depth, the player would have to plan ahead, do i want to refuel probe/drogue AC faster or do i want to be able to refuel both types.

[.Sirius]

Hi no probs I can try and work it in

ORIGINAL: MR_BURNS2

#1857 - KC-135F Stratotanker and #782 - KC-135FR Stratotanker

Internet pictures show them with wing drogues and centerline drogue or Boom

http://www.ecpad.fr/wp-content/gallery/ ... 3-0004.jpg

http://www.airlinerphotos.com/main.php? ... alNumber=2

http://media.defenceindustrydaily.com/i ... nch_lg.jpg

http://www.fliegerweb.com/user_bilder/C ... 00x263.jpg


Tankers with a boom can either use their boom or attach a drogue, but not both. I wonder how we could model this in CMANO, maybe make a different mount for each and according loadouts?
That would add a little depth, the player would have to plan ahead, do i want to refuel probe/drogue AC faster or do i want to be able to refuel both types.

[MR_BURNS2]

Thanks, i actually wanted to post it this in DB3000, but then we need it here too. Should i post it again there or do you wanna send him a pm?

[Mgellis]

No rush, but it would be nice to have these...

Messerschmitt Me 262 Schwalbe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262
http://www.aircraftaces.com/me-262.htm
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft ... aft_id=108
http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acdata_php/ ... 262_en.php

Used in small numbers by Czechoslovakia until 1951...

Focke-Wulf Fw 190
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_190
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft ... raft_id=95
http://www.aviation-history.com/focke-wulf/fw190.html
http://www.fighter-planes.com/info/fw190.htm

Used by Turkey until 1949...

Also useful for alternate history scenarios (e.g., 1946: The War Goes On!)