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Could we get an entry for the A-7F Corsair II hypothetical platform please?

See this article from the Drive: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... ng-program

Doesn't give a lot of specifics but I think using DB 3028 (A-7K LANA) as the base, adding an after burning F100-220 engine, longer range and a few more modern weapons would do it.

Wiki here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_YA-7F

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/thread ... ojects.11/
https://www.airplanesofthepast.com/a7-corsair.htm

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Hi,

Is it possible to add upgraded Udaloy class destroyer "Marshal Shaposhnikov" to the DB3000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCf1hXs8Vfg
https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/stat ... 3988050944

Thanks in advance
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The F-35C 2025 and 2028 (db#3836 and 4874) do not have the AN/ASQ-239 Barracuda ELINT like all other F-35s. Instead they have Band 2/5 ESM RWR.

Is this correct in that there is a new RWR that replaces the current ELINT? Or should it be an addition to the AN/ASQ-239, or an update of the AN/ASQ-239?
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The F-35 is getting upgrades made to its ASQ-239 in the 2020s (probably in 2023 with production Lot 15 jets); that upgrade covers all bands that the ASQ-239 senses, but it also specifically adds new apertures (RF transparencies + antennas). For Band 2 it's getting a new aperture in the nose gear door(s), and for the first time the jet is also going to be covering Band 5.

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Note that all these bands are some arbitrary definition that aren't public. There's been military descriptions for similarly named bands in the past (eg: one from Electronic Warfare Fundamentals where Band 0 = 500-2000MHz through to Band 3 at 8-20GHz), but they don't make sense when you try and fit them here, because that'd imply the ASQ-239 is currently designed for 4-20GHz, where it wouldn't even be able to detect IFF signals, plus it'd be introducing a new band which presumably would cover 20-60GHz, instead of covering the critical VHF and UHF bands that would threaten the F-35 the most.

We can nevertheless speculate on what these bands might cover based on things like very rough knowledge of how large the apertures are for Band 2 vs 3/4, as well as the common-sense requirements that'd exist for the ASQ-239.
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Post by KLAB »

Udaloy upgrade Marshal Shaposhnikov is in the DB485 already.

However it could do with tweaking;

The 3S-14 VLS is modular and universal should be able to mount mixtures of the following weapons
with a maximum number of 16 of each:

16 x 3M14 #2713 Kalibr LACM
or
16 x 3M54 #3218 Kalibr SSM
or
16 x P-800 #1173 SSM
or
16 x 91RT #3339 ASW weapons.

Or variations of above all of the above etc.

Thanks.
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ORIGINAL: anlgzl

Hi,

Is it possible to add upgraded Udaloy class destroyer "Marshal Shaposhnikov" to the DB3000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCf1hXs8Vfg
https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/stat ... 3988050944

Thanks in advance


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It seems that the Egyptian Romeo submarine has Harpoon missiles.. UGM-84L Harpoon Block II AShM
#245 - S 849 Romeo (Egypt - 1995)

During excercises this week a Harpoon was (un)succesfully launched.
https://t.co/nwxEv8Kspi?amp=1
https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/status/1282085115775143947

And one succesfull launch in 2019
https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/status/1204834710263914496
It has no Harpoon yet in the Database. Upgraded in 1989-1996
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Post by orca »

Thanks for the explanation.

So the new RWR replaces the old ELINT in the DB? But shouldn’t it be categorized as an ELINT with 500 nm range rather than a RWR with 120 nm range.

Also, the reference mentions other improvements including next generation DAS and improved IRST. Can these be updated in DB?

ORIGINAL: Dragon029

The F-35 is getting upgrades made to its ASQ-239 in the 2020s (probably in 2023 with production Lot 15 jets); that upgrade covers all bands that the ASQ-239 senses, but it also specifically adds new apertures (RF transparencies + antennas). For Band 2 it's getting a new aperture in the nose gear door(s), and for the first time the jet is also going to be covering Band 5.

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Note that all these bands are some arbitrary definition that aren't public. There's been military descriptions for similarly named bands in the past (eg: one from Electronic Warfare Fundamentals where Band 0 = 500-2000MHz through to Band 3 at 8-20GHz), but they don't make sense when you try and fit them here, because that'd imply the ASQ-239 is currently designed for 4-20GHz, where it wouldn't even be able to detect IFF signals, plus it'd be introducing a new band which presumably would cover 20-60GHz, instead of covering the critical VHF and UHF bands that would threaten the F-35 the most.

We can nevertheless speculate on what these bands might cover based on things like very rough knowledge of how large the apertures are for Band 2 vs 3/4, as well as the common-sense requirements that'd exist for the ASQ-239.
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About the australian NASAMS...

EXCLUSIVE: LAND 19 Phase 7B passes Gate 2 with the Enhanced NASAMS

https://adbr.com.au/land-19-phase-7b-pr ... ed-nasams/

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The Enhanced solution adds advanced electronically-scanned array (AESA) and electro-optical sensors, an upgraded vehicle-borne high-mobility launcher (HML), and the adoption of the latest Mk 2 canister launcher. Both of these launchers will allow multiple types of effectors to be employed.

The Enhanced option’s sensors including a mobile CEA Tactical (CEATAC) AESA fire-control radar which is deployed from a housing on the rear of a modified Thales Hawkei 2-door protected mobility vehicle (PMV) or on a towed trailer, a larger CEA Operational (CEAOPS) AESA search radar mounted on a Rheinmetall HX77 8×8 heavy truck, and a Raytheon MTS-A electro-optical infrared (EO/IR) sensor with a 5m telescopic mast and housing, also mounted on a Hawkei.

...

An Australian Army NASAMS Fire Unit will comprise an FDC, a CEATAC radar, an MTS-A EO/IR sensor, and a number of canister and/or HML with AMRAAM missiles. It is expected that a fire unit will comprise an Air Defence Troop, and that three Troops will make up a Battery.


CEATAC radar:

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CEAOPS radar:

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Australia orders vehicle-mounted, active phased-array radars for NASAMS air-defence system

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... nce-system




Also Ground Based Multi Mission Radar (GBMMR) would be a nice adition:

The CEAFAR Ground Based Multi-Mission Radar (GBMMR) is a mobile active phased array radar system that provides 3D air and ground surveillance in a range of environments.

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https://defense.info/partners-corner/20 ... e-systems/
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Post by DetlefKroeze »

Is there a reason why the 2021 and 2025 UK F-35Bs (DB3K 4947 and 4699) have Storm Shadow's in their weapon list when the missile will not be integrated on the aircraft?
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In the game the #2201 - F-22A Raptor (United States - 2019) has a max altitude of 55.000 ft.

In the article https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/34762/this-lecture-by-an-f-22-test-pilot-on-the-raptors-flight-control-system-is-bonkers the pilot says, quote: Although the F-22's high altitude capabilities, partially a product of its thrust vectoring capabilities, are known, Gordon notes the aircraft flies at altitudes from 60,000-65,000 feet.

This is not a soom climb altitude but probalby a usable altitude for the F-22.
Video on https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1467&v=Evhrk5tY-Yo&feature=emb_logo

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Iris-T missile has limited anti-surface capability:

ROYAL NORWEGIAN AIR FORCE TESTED IRIS-T IN AIR-TO-GROUND MISSION

https://www.diehl.com/defence/en/press- ... d-mission/
After its initial optimization for air-to-air use, it has already been procured for short-range (IRIS-T SLS) ground-based air defence. Now functionality has been enhanced with an air-to-surface engagement capability. This basic air-to-ground capability provides the ability to acquire, track and engage individual ground targets like boats/ships, small buildings and vehicles and has been successfully verified in September 2016 by a test firing from a Norwegian F-16.

Now usable in air-to-ground engagements as well, IRIS-T is the worldwide best performing short-range air-to-air missile setting new standards in its market segment.


The AIM-9X too

EXCLUSIVE: Raytheon adapts AIM-9X for air-to-ground mission

https://www.flightglobal.com/exclusive- ... %20targets.
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/did-you ... d-targets/
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Numerous turboprop UCAVs have a way too tiny RCS for what they are.
In CMO, the RCS of GJ-2 Wing Loong II ELINT is around -7 dBsm. However, the combat version of the same UAV has an RCS -14 dBsm (A-D Band). For comparison, the nEUROn's RCS in this band range is -12 dBsm, and this UAV is turbojet-powered.
The list of UAVs to look at:
Bayraktar TB2
BZK-005
CH-3
CH-4B
CH-5
GJ-2 Wing Loong II Pterodactyl
Heron (Israel's Heron TP seems fine)
MQ-1
MQ-5
MQ-9
Protector MALE
RQ-1
United 40
WD-1K Wing Loong
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A nice detailed description of the fuelloads of the MiG-29 variants.
https://alejandro-8en.blogspot.com/2016/07/fuel-load-in-different-mig-29-variants.html

One the main criticism directed to the MiG-29 was the lack of range. Before 1989 this issue was not well known, but it became clear when Luftwaffe inherited the Fulcrum fleet from East Germany. During the exercises the Fulcrum had to fly back to base before their counterparts due to lack of fuel. Many pilots regretted that no major upgrade was carried out, but the Fulcrum fleet carried on operating in a rather basic configuration until they were donated to Poland.

The issue was well known to MiG, even before the Fulcrum entered service. Soviet requirements stated a range of 800 kms with internal fuel and 2.750 at high altitude with a drop tank. The first version (9.12) managed 700 and 2.100 respectively. The drop tank was specifically designed for MiG-29 in order to prevent excessive drag.

The table below shows the fuel volume for different MiG-29 versions. Designations can be confusing because there have been 2 generations of MiG-29M and K. I used volume and not weight because the latter is usually a conversion of the former, and different densities are used (even in the same book).

The first improved variant was 9.13, easily identifiable by its “hunchback” configuration. It was added to increase the internal volume. In the original design it was difficult to do so because the auxiliary air inlet doors took a lot of space. The wing internal pylons were modified so 2 extra drop tanks could be used. These modifications led to an increase in fuel of more than 40%.

MiG-29M 9.15 is usually known as a second generation Fulcrum. In the 90s it was renamed MiG-33 for marketing reasons. MiG made extensive modifications. New alloys and composite materials were used, which led to an increase of 35% in internal fuel. MiG-29K was based on this variant and had a similar fuel load.

MiG-29SMT 9.17 and 9.18 were modernized variants created in the late 90s. 9.17 received two new fuel tanks with 1400 and 480 liters, which led to that massive spine. According to test pilots, it was too heavy. Internal fuel was 43% superior to 9.12, and 72% for total (internal+external).

MiG-29SMT 9.18 had a smaller deposit in the spine. This version has been sold to a few countries in different configurations…

The final versions of MiG-29M/K derive from the MiG-29M 9.15, thus fuel capacity is similar. MiG-29M and M2 were unified as MiG-35. A few months ago MiG-35 with 4 drop tanks were seen together with a refuelling kit.

References:

- Famous Russian Aircraft Mikoyan MiG-29, de Y. Gordon, Midland Publishing (2006).
- www.airwar.ru
- MiG-29SMT, la versión de los escándalos

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ORIGINAL: 14yellow14

About the australian NASAMS...

EXCLUSIVE: LAND 19 Phase 7B passes Gate 2 with the Enhanced NASAMS

https://adbr.com.au/land-19-phase-7b-pr ... ed-nasams/

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The Enhanced solution adds advanced electronically-scanned array (AESA) and electro-optical sensors, an upgraded vehicle-borne high-mobility launcher (HML), and the adoption of the latest Mk 2 canister launcher. Both of these launchers will allow multiple types of effectors to be employed.

The Enhanced option’s sensors including a mobile CEA Tactical (CEATAC) AESA fire-control radar which is deployed from a housing on the rear of a modified Thales Hawkei 2-door protected mobility vehicle (PMV) or on a towed trailer, a larger CEA Operational (CEAOPS) AESA search radar mounted on a Rheinmetall HX77 8×8 heavy truck, and a Raytheon MTS-A electro-optical infrared (EO/IR) sensor with a 5m telescopic mast and housing, also mounted on a Hawkei.

...

An Australian Army NASAMS Fire Unit will comprise an FDC, a CEATAC radar, an MTS-A EO/IR sensor, and a number of canister and/or HML with AMRAAM missiles. It is expected that a fire unit will comprise an Air Defence Troop, and that three Troops will make up a Battery.


CEATAC radar:

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CEAOPS radar:

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Australia orders vehicle-mounted, active phased-array radars for NASAMS air-defence system

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... nce-system




Also Ground Based Multi Mission Radar (GBMMR) would be a nice adition:

The CEAFAR Ground Based Multi-Mission Radar (GBMMR) is a mobile active phased array radar system that provides 3D air and ground surveillance in a range of environments.

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https://defense.info/partners-corner/20 ... e-systems/
CEA-TAC and CEA-OPS were added in 486. Have you got any details on GBMMR?
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ORIGINAL: eleos
Could we get an entry for the A-7F Corsair II hypothetical platform please?

See this article from the Drive: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... ng-program

Doesn't give a lot of specifics but I think using DB 3028 (A-7K LANA) as the base, adding an after burning F100-220 engine, longer range and a few more modern weapons would do it.

Wiki here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_YA-7F

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/thread ... ojects.11/
https://www.airplanesofthepast.com/a7-corsair.htm

Plus one from me.
How much longer range and which weapons?
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ORIGINAL: apache85

CEA-TAC and CEA-OPS were added in 486. Have you got any details on GBMMR?
CEAFAR Ground Based Multi-Mission Radar (GBMMR

Thanks for the update!

I haven't been able to check the last CMANO update yet... Do you have the excel with the last database? It would be quite useful.

About the GBMMR, it's a ground version of the CEAFAR radar.

https://www.industrysearch.com.au/groun ... r/p/140836
The CEAFAR GBMMR leverages existing technology to provide an active phased array surveillance and Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) capability for land-based operations.

GBMMR is suitable for deployment by road, rail or air. The system operates from portable or fixed power sources enabling mobile operation and offers increased operational flexibility at fixed sites through its rapid set up and tear down.

A range of military and civil applications
The GBMMR array utilises CEA’s unique scalable tile-based architecture enabling the system to be matched to a range of military and civil applications that include:

Land-based air surveillance
Including protective surveillance of key land-based assets such as defence facilities, airports and forward operating bases.

Mobile battlefield and airspace surveillance
Integrated to a local Command & Control (C2) suite for inputs to:

o Ground Surveillance

o Counter Rockets, Artillery and Mortars (C-RAM)

o Weapon Location and

o Ground Based Air and Missile Defence.

Air traffic control
Including terminal area radar and en route monitoring with integrated IFF (all modes)

Surface search and coastal surveillance
Including drug and customs surveillance operations, border intrusions, search & rescue operations and low level hostilities; and

Weather monitoring radar
For the timely observation/prediction of wind and precipitation conditions, weather avoidance (for aircraft) and clear-air turbulence detection.

System Features
The features of the radar include:

high track update rate
high track accuracy, fire control quality on all tracks
pulse Doppler operation – very high performance in clutter
no in-mission maintenance – highly parallel architecture allows failures to be managed whilst deployed
reduced Total Cost of Ownership through minimal consumables and in-field maintenance requirements
rapid deployment and very low deployable infrastructure requirements
simultaneous multi-mode operation with no cone of silence
high immunity to interference and electronic attack
integrated track management and data fusion
full IFF integration - including modes 5 & S
remote or local operation
electronic stabilisation
very high availability

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https://magazinecelebnews.blogspot.com/ ... earch.html


I hope this helps!
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Hellos

Have some more recent North Vietnam Facility to add when have times.

Please add EL/M-2084 associated with Spider SAM system. Vietnam Spider already added but not separate radar. Can copy #2485

https://supribluez.blogspot.com/2018/11 ... is-in.html

Please Add Vietnamese 4K44 Redut-M Redut System. See #327. Sipri Arms db say received one batter in 1980.
https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/1223320724149956609
https://armyrecognition.com/june_2020_n ... ssile.html

Please Add Accular Rocket System. Bought along withs EXTRA already in DB. Weapon already in DB mounted on #3176. Just need to add TEL with 2 missile instead of Israeli 4

https://defense-studies.blogspot.com/20 ... 685th.html
https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/1213141926230118400

Vietnam have few main battle tank T-54/55,T-62 (1978) T-90S(2019)

https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/127 ... 53/photo/1
https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/1270954475507773442
https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/1227976118239559680
Note T-90S do have Shora-1 APS
https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/126 ... 21/photo/1


Grad 21 Artillery. In service 1974. Copy from other export.

https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/1230440313316970496

D-20 Artillery. Copy #307. IOC Sipri Arms DB say 1975

https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/1271385421230960640




S-60 57mm AAA guns (since Vietnam Wars). See #1838
https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/1251603124239785984

M-1939 30mm AA Gun (Since Vietnam) See #1886

https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/1214928525393661954

Add MI-24A Copy #453 receive x10 in 1980. Serve until 2000s
https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/126 ... 46/photo/1

Add 2S1 122mm Gvozdika Artillery 1980. Copy #3025
https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/1260437585396142082
https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/1216014212335464449

M-46 1954 Artillery. Same as #2671

https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/1249628754885799936

Hwangsong 6 Scud variant in 1998. Copy #3067

4K51 Rubezk SSM system. 1981 Copy #826

https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/1255364999888936962

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Checked and could not find any entry on any DB for CMANO/CMO for the Project 667AT “Pear” - NATO: Yankee-notch SSGN

Main source http://www.deepstorm.ru/DeepStorm.files ... T/list.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee-class_submarine

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ORIGINAL: fire-fox

Checked and could not find any entry on any DB for CMANO/CMO for the Project 667AT “Pear” - NATO: Yankee-notch SSGN

Main source http://www.deepstorm.ru/DeepStorm.files ... T/list.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee-class_submarine

It´s in there[:)]

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