F-105 loadouts

[MR_BURNS2]

Most of the conventional F-105 loadouts are impossible, i started this thread to collect data on F-105 loadouts before sirius makes DB changes. If you have any info about F-105 loadouts actually used operationally please share here.





This image already tells a lot, however the second AGM-45A entry is wrong, they probably meant AIM-9B.

BLU-1 Napalm bombs were carried 1 each outboard pylon and 2 centerline.

Bomb Bay held a 350 US gal tank when not armed with internal nukes.

Can someone please start an open google docs thingy arranged like the chart in the picture above?

The burns doesnt know how to do this[8|]

[.Sirius]

Thanks for this got some stuff Ive found too so will post later on today
 
 

[ComDev]

These are the Max loadouts, which is great. But can we get a list of the 'typical' loadouts as well?

In Command we're simulating combat range and (very soon) payload weight/drag effects.

So would be fantastic if you could also research typical medium/light loadouts as well. For instance, the A-7 Corsair in the database has several loadouts with different bombloads to give the player a few range/payload options, e.g.:

Mk82 LDGP (6x bombs): 610nm
Mk82 LDGP (12x bombs): 485nm
Mk82 LDGP (18x bombs): 410nm

What strike radius / profile would the F-105 have with the different loadouts?

Thanks! [8D]

[mikmykWS]

http://www.burrusspta.org/105_externalstoreloading.pdf

[navwarcol]

This brings up a question/comment guys. I found a workaround that I hesitate to mention just because if it was unintentional I don't want it taken away [:D]
For the most part we are unable to add loadouts to aircraft in the scenario editor. Because of this, I am thinking that is WAD. However, if we create a plane as a unit in the air, we can edit mounts and loadouts just as with any other unit, and effectively create some REALLY cool planes [8D]

[mikmykWS]

Yes although I think the issue is you can't save the edits in the delta file.

Mike

[.Sirius]

Hi Mike thanks was gonna post that one heh

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

http://www.burrusspta.org/105_externalstoreloading.pdf

[mikmykWS]

See more pictures of the 12 centerline and a tank on each wing than anything.

[Broncepulido]

More ideas and data here: http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/F-105D ... e_1970.pdf

[ComDev]

Anyone got the guts to take the first stab at creating a table with the loadouts that the F-105s should have?

[MR_BURNS2]

Wow! Great, that would settle hardpoint possibilities.[8D]
Typical loadouts should be no problem since there are hundreds of different photos.

As for range, with a typical 6 Mk117 and 2 wingtanks(plus internal tank of course) from Thai bases they needed 1 pre-strike refueling some 45 minutes after takeoff and one post-strike.Typical ingress altitude was up to 15000/18000 feet, at higher altitudes she was hard to control with such a heavy load/drag.
The Thud was built for low level and due to this high drag and weight she was always short on fuel, thats all i learned from pilots stories, finding harder facts might prove difficult but i'll try.
alternatewars.com might be more helpful, see radius chart on page 5.


Following is a list of loadouts as seen on pictures, the most common being on top.

F-105D:

6x Mk117, 2 wingtanks, often with 1 Mk82, Mk117 or Rocketpod on each outer wingstation.
6x Mk82 LDGP or retarded, often with 1 Mk82 or Rocketpod on each outer wingstation.
5x BLU-1/B, 2 wingtanks
2X AGM-12, 1 centerlinetank, ( i also found 1 pic with AGM-12 on outboard stations and wingtanks but think this was experimental/uncommon)
2x Mk118, 1 centerlinetank,
5x Mk83 and 2 wingtanks
2x Mk84, 2xMk82 and centerlinetank

There is also talk about CBU-2 but i cant find pictures.


Early 1966 F-105D shared Iron Hand missions with F-105F carrying AGM-45.
September 1966 the first QRC-160 ECM pods arrived
From December 1966 on they often carried AIM-9, single rail more often then double rail

The latter 3 were used roughly from mid-1966 on, maybe make an earlier version without these and a 1966+ version with them?

F-105F Wild Weasel

First deployed operationally on 22 May 1966, around 1970 all were upgraded to F-105G,
AGM-78 capability since end of 1967, combat debut 10th march 68,

2x AGM-45 and 3 tanks
2x AGM-45, 1 AGM 78, 1 wingtank 1 centerlinetank
2x AGM-45, 2x CBU-24, centerlinetank (short range, maybe only 1 CBU and 1 wingtank?)
2x AGM-45 and 2 Rocket Pods mentioned in a book(maybe 2 on 1 wing and wingtank on other?)

I also have a picture of Mk117´s being loaded on a F with 2 AGM-45 already in place, dont know how many or where.

F-105G ~1969/70 onwards

Same loadouts as F-105F
said to have capability for twin AGM-45 launchers on outboard pylons, but no evidence, also former aircrew states that he never saw any of them while in SEA.

I think its a F or G in this picture, dont know what CBU´s these are:


AGM-45 plus Napalm?



Main Source: F-105 Thunderchief Units of the Vietnam War

Hope that helps.

[.Sirius]

Working on it..... please don't laugh at the results there are multiple combinations of what you could hang on the Thud

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Anyone got the guts to take the first stab at creating a table with the loadouts that the F-105s should have?

[MR_BURNS2]

Moar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqdtb4KNZ4M&list=WL329D3ADCE442344C

08:40 F-105D 2 AGM-45, 6 Mk82 and wingtanks
09:36 F-105F 1 AGM-45 and some CBU or iron bomb? plus 1 Jammer
14:00 F-105D 4 Mk117 and wingtanks, may have been during the bomb shortage, or maybe range issues.

You can also see many of the typical 6-Mk117 loadouts and 1 or 2 with 2 Mk118 as mentioned above, some with 1 ECM-Pod and 1 Sidewinder, probably for those who went into RP 5 and 6.

Speaking of ECM, someone posted some data about the QRC-160/AN/ALQ-71 Pod on SImHQ

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3740523/3

Dont know if that is useful for you, you probably have better ECM sources.
I also have some stats about effectiveness of F-105 ECM in a book if you can use it.

[ComDev]

Bump! [:D]

[El Savior]

Here's Google Book about Wild Weasel F-105's armaments in Vietnam:

Google Book

Hope this helps. My Modern Aircraft Armamanet book is missing F-105 loadouts.

Picture from the Wild Weasel loadout from the Google Book:



Additional fuel tanks was carried.

[MR_BURNS2]

Nice job on the loadouts[:)], i have a few more points though if you should ever feel bored enough to look at it again. [:D]

Shouldn't all AC without internal bombload carry the internal fueltank?

The 3 Nuke loadout is horribly short-legged, she was built for low-lever penetration, but with that loadout at SL and loiter-speed she can hardly get from the Rhine to Poland and back.
They probably used wingtanks + 1 internal bomb or similar. What about internal bomb and wingbags for the B and internal tank/wingtanks + centerline bomb for the D ?

Mk-84 bombs were, according to wikipedia, first introduced in Vietnam and were possibly never used on F-105B and early D´s. Mk-118 was much older though and more often used.
What about a short range loadout with 2 Mk-118 and a normal one with 1 Mk-118 and 1 Wingbag?

F-105D 1966, B-57 loadout has centerline-tank and wingtanks and centerline-bomb? Replace centerline-tank with internaltank.

F-105D 1966, a few of those have AIM-9D´s, dunno if they actually used those or whether it is a typo.

F-105D 1966, Mk-83 loadout, look at the chart, is's either AIM-9/ECM pod or Mk-83´s on outboard stations. On the picture they had just 5 bombs and wingtanks.

F-105F, the last loadout, not sure what happened there, 2 OUTBD loads too many and no INBD load? You have the same loadout in the first 2 G´s too.

F-105G 1970, AGM-45/AGM-78 loadout, 1 AGM-78 too many. Please add the 2x AGM-45, 1xAGM 78, 1 wingtank 1 centerlinetank loadout to all F and G models, they all used it at some point.

Check the latest F-105G´s properties against the other Thuds, Bombsight - Advanced Computing and Probe Refuelling are missing. And maybe add Wild Weasel in the title as in the other WW´s.



Right, now that i made all these further suggestions AFTER you made all these laborious changes i shall try to avoid the wrath of the Dev´s and escape to the sanctity of my Steamtrain [8D]

Chooo Chooo!

[mikmykWS]

Logged to look at.

Thanks!

Mike

[ComDev]

Any update on this?
 
Thanks [8D]

[.Sirius]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Any update on this?

Thanks [8D]

All updated and tweeked Rag, you have the latest DB with it all in

[Primarchx]

Can we get a Mk117 + DECM-pod loadouts for the '66+ F-105D? Also a Mk-82 + DECM? Thanks!