GD1938 Game 12 "Fast game"

[ironduke1955]

I gave up chasing U-Boats back in 1940 and converted all my destroyers to fishing boats.
Thanks to the Chemical Factories I built supply has not been a problem.
Its a trade of the cost of supplying destroyers building them and finding U-Boats,
hiding under rocks and pretending to be members of the Swedish synchronized swimming team (freestyle)
I can tell you that had the British tars scratching their heads. The Germans were getting to good at hiding,
the prize goes to U-Boat 571 who disguised themselves as Finisterre Light house[:)]

[Twotribes]

Germany will not be happy when they find out the Soviets took their southern airfield

[ironduke1955]

October 1941 UK/France

Anglo/French Entered Milano this month. The last core Italian city. Copenhagen still kicking British butts, there is nothing like a dane.

Twotribes some nice moves in Rumania.

US forces on the move in Spain and Portugal, the Brits are pleased its a load lifted.

Sunk some subs in the Atlantic got to kill Kiel or the nightmare will never end[:@]

[cpdeyoung]

Joint Communique of the USA and China.

The US Army continued to press the Germans in South America. Here we see US armored forces approaching battle
as US air forces attack at Salvador.

[cpdeyoung]

Joint Communique of the USA and China.

In Europe Lisbon has fallen to US forces as troops sail the Atlantic unbothered by U-Boats. Anti-sub operations
continue and we are pleased with the results. We disagree with the German analysis and believe we are getting the
upper hand at sea. We predict disaster for Axis naval forces wherever found.

In the Far East the first Axis capital has fallen. Tokyo's productive power is harnessed to the Allied cause. The
Emperor and government have moved on we assume, but the presence of GIs in Tokyo must chill Japanese hearts.

[RufusTFirefly]

Turn 51:

Final battles are fought now.

Next turn Japan might fall. There are only two cities left on Japanese homeland. Both are damaged. As Japanese forces are too weak, but production capacity is just sufficant for supply but not for any reinforcements. The remaining defenders might be overrun next turn.

Thi leaving only the Japanese forces in Mandshuria and Korea. They are strong enough to defend against the Sovjets. Chinese forces remain quiet. But damage due to naval bombardment lowered production capacity of cities. The strongest weapon, the powerful Japanese air force could not send all squads into battle. Some air groups are so low in supply that they couldnt do even mid distance flights. Some armored units, deployed as reinforcements could not be send to front as fuel for tranport is low.

A shipyard in Korea is still producing at full capacity. But US subs block the way to open seas. Six US subs grous have been spotted. Recon could only reveal the subunits in two of them. Maybe subs have run out of torpedos. So they try to block the way by forming a wall of steel shells.

[RufusTFirefly]

Turn 51:

Europe

Situation in Europe doesnt look good either.

After the fall of Lisbon, the forces of Spain and Portugal cannt be supplied any longer. Most of them are at 5 percent readyness due to lack of supply. Being low in number and unable to fight they might be overrun by US and British forces without any losses for the attackers.

Italy is taken by Britain completely. Some few Italien units and Italien allies (Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, and Austria still fight on the Balkan. They are able to hold the line, but unable for any seious offensive action. At the Romanian front Italien allies and German forces keep up the frontline. Red Army might win a small battle, loosing another one next turn. But defenders are close to the edge in reinforcements and supply.

At northern front in Russia the German forces once again managed to win some battles against Red Army and gained some of the terrain that had been lost in previous turns.

At Denmark German forces will retreat. British forces push hard. Defence of German cities in the north makes it necessary to retreat and strenghten defence. Once the British have to leave the coastal areas to advance they might run into difficulties. Without support of the Royal Navy the German tanks and the Luftwaffe might cause severe losses to British army. It is still a long way to Paris and even a longer one to Berlin!

[RufusTFirefly]

Before Lisbon was taken some German and Spanish sub groups made a deperate attempt to gain some last success. As way northwards is blocked by US subs they tried to cause some losses to Royal Navy that has shelled Lisbon. As subs had moved to Lisbon to refuel and resupply they had to fight without being at full strength again. Royal Navy would have been superior any way.

[ironduke1955]

November 1941 UK/France

"first Axis capital has fallen"

That would be Rome back in 1940.

Geneva has fallen this turn as has Toulouse, Copenhagen was evacuated after countless months of air ground and artillery attacks, and occupied by the British. Montivideo Uruguay was captured small sign of progress in a stalemated British South American campaign.
Christinau in the Balkans was captured keeping the pressure on the Rumanian Front up.

[cpdeyoung]

Joint Communique of the USA and China.

That would be Rome back in 1940.

Well, of course it would. One tends to focus too narrowly in these situations.

I did not mean to slight your many accomplishments!

[ironduke1955]

I am sure when Hollywood makes the movie it will be Brad Pitt on top of a Sherman taking Rome singlehanded. The Brits will just grumble into their excellent beer (RufusTfirefly note the words excellent beer)

[Twotribes]

ORIGINAL: ironduke1955

I am sure when Hollywood makes the movie it will be Brad Pitt on top of a Sherman taking Rome singlehanded. The Brits will just grumble into their excellent beer (RufusTfirefly note the words excellent beer)

Actually in the real war the US did take Rome )

[ironduke1955]

[:)]Ok lets go there, by take you mean drove into as the Germans had scarpered up North to a prepared defensive line. The only fighting done was through crowds of deliriously happy Italians. It was at the time referred to as the Allied capture because there were as many Allied troops in Italy as there were American. It is fairly rude to start claiming the Glory when your allies are bleeding and dying on the same ground. Hence the need to refer to the capture of Rome as a allied victory though not all Americans seem to have got the memo. The British army in this game is made up of French North African's Italians and Brits. A side note the British had been fighting the Italians for several years, and of course had killed tens of thousands of Italians, it was considered and the best nation to enter Rome was the Americans, due to the close ties with so many Italian Americans and the USA had not killed hardly any Italians. Unlike the Brits.

[Twotribes]

Those evil Americans. Perhaps we should have stayed home in WW2?

[ironduke1955]

LOL With the Germans working on nukes and a rocket delivery system, staying at home was not a option. But its interesting to speculate that if the Japanese had not attacked Pearl Harbour, the US may well have stayed out of the War, there was no popular support for the War in the US until Pearl Harbour. The Soviets were winning the War on the Eastern Front chances are it would have fallen to the Soviets to advance to the Pyrenees. Placing all of Continental Europe under Soviet control.

[Twotribes]

ORIGINAL: ironduke1955

LOL With the Germans working on nukes and a rocket delivery system, staying at home was not a option. But its interesting to speculate that if the Japanese had not attacked Pearl Harbour, the US may well have stayed out of the War, there was no popular support for the War in the US until Pearl Harbour. The Soviets were winning the War on the Eastern Front chances are it would have fallen to the Soviets to advance to the Pyrenees. Placing all of Continental Europe under Soviet control.

The Soviets in 41 were not winning the war. Further without US aid they wouldn't have done well at all. Are you aware that the US provided most of the truck and jeeps the Soviets had during the war? That the US provided all of the comm wire that allowed the Artillery divisions to work? We provided thousands of planes and tanks as well, And we provided Train engines as well as other materials.

[ironduke1955]

I am fairly sure that everyone knows that the Soviets were losing in 1941, I am not sure if the US would not have supplied the Soviet Union with the Trucks planes and copper cable. Regardless of the War footing of the US, lets not forget they were also supplying the British for a price, not fully paid back until the 1990's. Its also true however helpful these materials were, there is no proof that the Soviets would not have defeated the Germans without them.

[Twotribes]

ORIGINAL: ironduke1955

I am fairly sure that everyone knows that the Soviets were losing in 1941, I am not sure if the US would not have supplied the Soviet Union with the Trucks planes and copper cable. Regardless of the War footing of the US, lets not forget they were also supplying the British for a price, not fully paid back until the 1990's. Its also true however helpful these materials were, there is no proof that the Soviets would not have defeated the Germans without them.

Ya cause after all if Germany had no west wall to worry about they would have collapsed even sooner right? Without the US there would have been no European or Italian front.

[ironduke1955]

I am sure the Germans would have to maintain garrisons throughout occupied Europe, and against the British however limited their resources were, lets also not forget that the US impact on the European theatre did not occur until the fire's were alight in Stalingrad, And the Germans were at their zenith. Its true to say that the road to Berlin for the Soviets would have been a lot harder without US involvement. But what is absolutely true is you cannot speak of the USA as having a option to join the war or not to join the war, they unlike the British and French did not join the 2nd World War on principle, because a nation who's sovereignty they had guaranteed Poland, had been attacked. They were forced into the War by being directly attacked by Japan, then war was declared on them by Germany. So the option of "Staying at Home" was not a option.

[Twotribes]

ORIGINAL: ironduke1955

I am sure the Germans would have to maintain garrisons throughout occupied Europe, and against the British however limited their resources were, lets also not forget that the US impact on the European theatre did not occur until the fire's were alight in Stalingrad, And the Germans were at their zenith. Its true to say that the road to Berlin for the Soviets would have been a lot harder without US involvement. But what is absolutely true is you cannot speak of the USA as having a option to join the war or not to join the war, they unlike the British and French did not join the 2nd World War on principle, because a nation who's sovereignty they had guaranteed Poland, had been attacked. They were forced into the War by being directly attacked by Japan, then war was declared on them by Germany. So the option of "Staying at Home" was not a option.

And your claim that the Soviets could win the war without the US is completely false. As for Britain she never had a chance alone to seriously threaten the Germans or Italians in Europe. Without the US Germany would have probably made a deal with the Soviets after things stalemated inside the Soviet Union.