GD1938 Game 6

[Jonathan Pollard]

George S Patton wanted to "continue the game" against the USSR after the collapse of Nazi Germany. Even Churchill contemplated doing so with Operation Unthinkable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

For the USSR to win they might need to take ALL of Germany, and the Allies could launch an invasion of northwestern Germany that might make the USSR taking all of Germany very difficult.

[ironduke1955]

I am happy to continue this current game, And the consensus is to continue. My victory conditions are still top secret and known only to one man. Unless every one else puts their victory conditions on the table, and I don't see that happening anytime soon.

The Soviet Union is of course grateful to China for its strategy tips to the western allies. Since we are speculating. I am not sure if the Western Allies are set for a large scale naval invasion of Germany, they seem geared for a ground war in the Iberian Peninsular. Why invade mainland Europe when you are already on it.

[cpdeyoung]

I propose that we consider phase one of the game completed when the Soviets actually approach their victory conditions. At that point the Soviet Union has defended socialism in "one" country, and has become a satisfied nation. She enters a permanent state of peace for the remainder of the game, all alliances are shut down, brief states of war then peace. She will not attack, nor can she be attacked. She cannot use supplies or diplomacy to aid any party. She is the victor, all laurels are heaped upon her ample brow. Whoever has the password logs in and quits the turn for the remainder of the game.

Then phase two starts : The Axis, weaker for the loss of eastern territories, now has a benign presence on her eastern border. She can continue to wage war on the GOWN powers. China can move forward with her adventures, and the West will attempt to foil them.

If IronDuke does not want to play a bit then retire, we can work it out. If Twotribes has victory conditions in the East which cannot be fulfilled as Germany he can try for Italy or Japan wins. If Twotribes is no longer interested in playing he can give his passwords to Jonathan.

This then becomes a victory for Iron Duke and his Soviets. The game continues as a two, or three, player contest. Players who have invested a lot of time and effort can fight their war out.

I will finish a T41 and pass it to Jonathan this morning.

Chuck

[cpdeyoung]

Oops, I didn't see your post Duke. Ever onward with this fun game.

Chuxk

[Jonathan Pollard]

If Twotribes is no longer interested in playing he can give his passwords to Jonathan

While I would find it nice to be able to control the Axis, it might be more fair to the others if Twotribes simply uses the surrender button for all of his countries.

EDIT: I will propose an alliance with Germany and Italy (already allied with Japan) in case Twotribes would rather gift all of his territory and units to me instead of giving me his password.

[cpdeyoung]

It looks like we are going forward with the game as it is.

Remember there are only four of us, so there really wouldn't be any others if Twotribes and Ironduke are done.

PS: When I came into the USA turn it said I had wiped my log. The only way I can imagine I did this was by showing a guy at work the game on another machine. In any case it was inadvertent, sorry.

Chuck

[cpdeyoung]

The Franco-British command waged war on multiple fronts in February, and the attacks on the Germans and Italians must have taken some pressure off the Soviets. There were plenty of Axis troops to be found. We completed the capture of Sardinia in a combined arms operation. In Spain our forces had success against the Axis main line of resistance and pushed them back across the front. We hesitated to try an attack on Barcelona although we might have done so. There is a powerful artillery force just behind that city. On the Turkish front we pushed north damaging but not displacing the Turkish forces to the west.

Here are the stats.

[ironduke1955]

I hope Twotribes continues the Soviet German imbalance has been noted and will be addressed. But I am sure that Twotribes would want to continue the game if the situation was reversed. And he has time to plot his revenge in the new game that he is forming, that will include the alterations from Claus and Bombur.

[Jonathan Pollard]

The other option, though unlikely, is to try to find a replacement player for Twotribes. Yes, there are rare individuals out there who actually like taking over hopeless situations. I did that quite a bit playing Civ IV.

My turn should be done around 6PM EDT.

[cpdeyoung]

Here is a situation map for Spain.

[cpdeyoung]

And, here is one for Turkey.

[cpdeyoung]

And, from far eastern waters we have the Chinese Naval force that has been sailing around examining GOWN positions.

The force is named "Bait Fleet".

[ironduke1955]

1ST AND 2ND Armies and Leningrad Front Captured the air craft factory on the outskirts of Berlin, 50% of the surrounding area of the city is captured. Ukraine Front captured Vienna splitting the German forces.
Rumanian front has broken through the German Rumanian army to capture Christenau.

[ironduke1955]

The Japanese have large armored forces on the Chinese Soviet Border if these forces attack the Soviet Union from Chinese Territory a state of War will exist between The Soviet Union and China. It will be deemed that China has made no effort to maintain sufficient forces to prevent Japanese incursions onto its territory or worse has colluded with the Japanese. The Soviet Union assures China that the Japanese attack will fail and Soviet forces will not be stopped this time with a apparently meaningless peace treaty.

[cpdeyoung]

GOWN also tires of Chinese/Japanese provocations. Since the Chinese have scouted out positions extensively they are aware we do not ignore the possibility of war in the Pacific-Asian sphere. All of GOWN will respond to any attack with vigor. If the Japanese and Chinese want a war perhaps they should make war on each other.

[cpdeyoung]

The Franco-British command reports that forces in Spain assaulted Barcelona, but did not take the city. We did take La Coruna, and have pushed German-Italian-Spanish forces back. In western Europe the RAF and French air command did not attack as the Soviets are closing on Berlin quickly. We are not going to take losses attacking airfields that may soon be overrun.

In Turkey we approach Ankara, and are pressing on. Our bombers reduced Turkish production.

[ironduke1955]

The Soviet Far East Command under Grigorii Shtern launched a attack on the huge Japanese now Chinese armored forces around the city of Mukden. The news from the front is that the majority of this armor has been destroyed what remains has been pushed back into the city of Muckden. The Soviet Union made clear its position and in accordance with the Soviet/Chinese/Japanese peace agreement the border between the Soviet Union and China is a demilitarized zone any breech of this agreement would be considered a act of war.

On the Western Front Berlin has fallen to Soviet Forces.

[ironduke1955]

The Soviet Union will not advance into France and the Low Countries this will be for the Western Allies to Liberate discussion will then take place regarding the return of all currently occupied countries to there rightful legal elected political status.

[Twotribes]

So the deceitful Soviet Union attacked without provocation a Chinese force that was unable to move once it was transferred. Sounds about right.

[ironduke1955]

"All that would be required is Chinese assurances that Japanese forces would not be allowed to enter Chinese territory and that China eventually return to a Neutral state."

A soviet stipulation at the time of the agreement


"Such assurances are hereby given. China intends to keep its new border with the USSR completely demilitarized. This includes the Afghan/Persia border."

This was the Chinese response.

You are very quick to refer to the Soviet Union as deceitful.

Japan and China are not neutral they are still allies, and the Japanese have been on Chinese soil for a very long time.