Finland

[warspite1]

I'm sure I've seen a thread on this but cannot find it so am raising a new one.

In a PBEM game I have just got a message to say I have made an incursion over the Finnish border and have suffered 15pp. Not only have I done nothing of the sort, but I do not even have zone of control into Soviet territory. How could this happen? That is a lot of points to lose over something I have been careful to avoid....

[Jonathan Pollard]

The dubious cross-border message happened to me once while playing 1.02 as the Soviets, I replayed the turn history but didn't see any cross-border attacks.

[Isokron]

I think the problem is that the hex south of 12 inf in that map counts as no go territory for the finns. I just got a penalty in my current game for attacking that hex.

[Steve110]

I believe these is a thread in tech support that mentions a known bug where by if a Finnish unit attacks a Ruskie who is on the border, forces a retreat, and then follows up onto the border hex themselves then this triggers an "incursion".

They plan to address it in next version.

cheers
Steve

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Isokron

I think the problem is that the hex south of 12 inf in that map counts as no go territory for the finns. I just got a penalty in my current game for attacking that hex.

warspite1

But unless I am going mad in my frail dotage (always possible) I haven't attacked that hex.... By that reckoning the Finns can never enter the hex 12th Infantry is in. I have never known this before.

[lancer]

Hi,

Yep, there is a known bug that occurs in very specific circumstances as Steve has indicated above.

You (as Finns) have to be one hex off the historical border (Red 'B') and attack a Soviet unit sitting on the border.

If the attack is successful and you take the free move after combat you're Finn unit will then be on the border. Provided it hasn't conducted any other movement before or after this it will trigger the violation penalty.

It's been fixed in the latest Beta version but not in the current Official one.

If you look at the Briefing's tab in the top bar of the game and check 'Config' (top right within the tab) it'll show you the Scenario version that you've started the game under (down the bottom).

If it says 'Scenario Version 21' then you're playing with the latest Beta and the bug won't be present.

Updating to the latest Beta won't fix your current game, only new games from then on.

For PBEM both players need to have the Scenario Version 21 (latest Beta) for it to take effect.

Otherwise take note of the circumstances above and you can step around the bug. The trick is to make sure that the Finnish unit in question moves at least one hex, before or after combat, in addition to the free move as a result of a successful combat.

Oh, and looking at your screenshot above, you can safely move the Finns directly onto the border near Leningrad. No need to hang back.

If you sit on the border and attack Soviets on the other side then you can expect harsh words (and a penalty) from the Finnish Govt.

Cheers,
Cameron

[Orm]

If you sit on the border and attack Soviets on the other side then you can expect harsh words (and a penalty) from the Finnish Govt.

I've done this (without advancing) and I have not been sanctioned. Is this a change for the beta version?

[Steve110]

ORIGINAL: Orm

If you sit on the border and attack Soviets on the other side then you can expect harsh words (and a penalty) from the Finnish Govt.

I've done this (without advancing) and I have not been sanctioned. Is this a change for the beta version?

When you did it with no resulting penalty - was it against the AI?

I had the same query previously, turns out there may be a difference between vs AI and PBEM... vs AI you get away with it in PBEM you get hit with the big stick!

[Isokron]

Well I got a penalty for attacking the hex south of 12 inf from two directions and not advancing into it. No other finnish units moved that turn.

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: Steve110

ORIGINAL: Orm

If you sit on the border and attack Soviets on the other side then you can expect harsh words (and a penalty) from the Finnish Govt.

I've done this (without advancing) and I have not been sanctioned. Is this a change for the beta version?

When you did it with no resulting penalty - was it against the AI?

I had the same query previously, turns out there may be a difference between vs AI and PBEM... vs AI you get away with it in PBEM you get hit with the big stick!

It might have been against the AI.

But I am pretty sure that I have had a PBEM game with the same placement of Finnish units as warspite1 without any penalty.