Desert War: Why Didn't You Buy?

[scout1]

Graphics ….
No Campaign
Not intuitive play (I was a beta tester) so hard to get into too ...

[BeirutDude]

Two main reasons...

1. I have three GG games I still am trying to read through the Masters Dissertation (I.e. rules) to figure out and MAYBE one day play. So until I actually play them (as well as a few others I bought and never play) why buy this one?
2. I'm really not super interested in the Desert War, and haven't bought Tiller's PB game on the same subject either.

NOW, take this to a battle/Theater I am interested in and I'll likely buy it. Wacht am Rhein, Market-Garden, Stalingrad campaign, Typhoon, (please not another Kursk fortification & minefield slog match!) and I'd buy it. God it would be a slug fest but Germany/Berlin '45 I'd buy just because it's different!

So just my $0.02 worth

[Saint Ruth]

As always, thanks for the feedback! [8D]

[76mm]

ORIGINAL: BeirutDude
(please not another Kursk fortification & minefield slog match!)

+1000. I love the Eastern Front, but let's give Kursk a rest...

[harley9699]

ORIGINAL: BeirutDude

2. I'm really not super interested in the Desert War, and haven't bought Tiller's PB game on the same subject either.

I'm really interested in the Desert War, it's been pretty neglected through the years. Have been looking hard at JT's version (have the other two, they're great).

Read too many bad things about this one though. Fix the naval and campaign and it'd pique my interest (even though... and I'm not sure... don't think they're working on this anymore. Beating a dead horse kinda thing).

[bcgames]

Someday someone will do a bang-up job on a campaign of linked Kursk scenarios using the Desert War/Stalingrad game engine--it just won't be me. Not interested.

[bcgames]

ORIGINAL: BeirutDude

...Fix the naval and campaign and it'd pique my interest (even though... and I'm not sure... don't think they're working on this anymore. Beating a dead horse kinda thing).

I've been a fan of the War in North Africa ever since Avalon Hill published Afrika Korps. The topic is a "dead horse" for many--but not for me. "They" [BK and I] are still working on a wargame engine that supports operational combat operations. Desert War was the first step; the foundation step. Stalingrad will expand the foundation. Follow-on game topics will only be pursued if they expand the capabilities of the wargame engine. Retrofitting our published games to the "current standard" is our goal--as John Tiller has done with his games. Until we get there, I highly recommended his Panzer Campaigns series of wargames. After all these years--he's still keeping these fine titles up to date.

Check him out:

http://www.johntillersoftware.com/

[harley9699]

ORIGINAL: bcgames

ORIGINAL: BeirutDude

...Fix the naval and campaign and it'd pique my interest (even though... and I'm not sure... don't think they're working on this anymore. Beating a dead horse kinda thing).

I've been a fan of the War in North Africa ever since Avalon Hill published Afrika Korps. Until we get there, I highly recommended his Panzer Campaigns series of wargames. After all these years--he's still keeping these fine titles up to date.

Check him out:

http://www.johntillersoftware.com/

That's exactly the series I was alluding to when I mentioned "JT's version". Both Battle of Normandy and Battle of Kursk are excellent games. Those two and his new Africa one are the Panzer Campaigns series.
Plus, if you've ever played a Tiller game, there's little to no learning curve.
It's very good to know you guys are still working on this and future games too.

[Meteor2]

Looking back, for me the unit density / stacking was a concern. I looked to much like work.
I don't have this feeling with the whole SC series and the Decisive Campaign series either.

[bcgames]

ORIGINAL: Meteor2
I[t] looked to much like work.

Heard. We'll try to do better with the next game. Thanks for the feedback.

[Vasquez]

1. The theatre. I prefer Eastern Front games.
2. Since a while I prefer Grand Strategy games as well where I have at least some control about production and distribution of equippment.

[bcgames]

ORIGINAL: Vasquez

1. The theatre. I prefer Eastern Front games.

From what we have told you so far, will you buy Stalingrad?

ORIGINAL: Vasquez
2. Since a while I prefer Grand Strategy games as well where I have at least some control about production and distribution of equipment.

There are no "production decisions" in Stalingrad but you will have the power to make decisions about how personnel and equipment replacement points are distributed. Does this get you any closer to buying the next game?

[Vasquez]

Sounds good.

Will für new game have a campaign? If so then yes. If Not Ill pass.

[bcgames]

ORIGINAL: Vasquez

...Will für new game have a campaign? If so then yes. If Not Ill pass.

If I perceive correctly the gist of your question the answer is no. There will not be a campaign game you can play that starts on 23 July 1942 and ends on 2 February 1943. That's 489 turns at an average of two day/one night turn per day.

However, there will be a set of campaign games that propel a single division or corps level units across the same calendar dates that focus on a narrative of peak combat activity.

[Vasquez]

Okay!

Will the game be released on Steam as well?

[bcgames]

I am for releasing any of our games by any means pursued by any would-be publisher.

[bcgames]

So...why didn't you buy Desert War? We need to know. We have four more games planned and then the party is over I think. I'm not a spring chicken anymore. Let us know your druthers about your way ahead.

[Ralph1961]

I’m going to purchase Desert war with my anniversary coupon. I’ve read a little about the game and the reviews aren’t good. Seems there are lots of units and the game is more like work than a game. I hope I’m not making a mistake but if so I can afford the price.
Is The next game in the series Stalingrad?
I’m hoping this game is somewhat similar to Atomic games Operation Crusader or better yet the SSG tiles that Matrix released in the mid 2000s

[bcgames]

ORIGINAL: Ralph1961
Is The next game in the series Stalingrad?

Yes, it is.

ORIGINAL: Ralph1961
I’m going to purchase Desert war with my anniversary coupon. I’ve read a little about the game and the reviews aren’t good. Seems there are lots of units and the game is more like work than a game. I hope I’m not making a mistake but if so I can afford the price.

If you are interested in the Campaign for North Africa and the WEGO game system, then this would be a good use of your anniversary coupon. "Lots of units" is a subjective criteria that depends on the player. As a player and a scenario designer for the game I find that the "lots of units" criteria only applies to the El Alamein scenario...BUT it plays for those who want it to.

Bottomline? Want the game and you will be happy with your purchase. Question the game given the reviews and you will prolly find a better destination for your anniversary coupon. Either way, we are glad to have received your consideration; but only you know the games you like--ao go there! I would if I were you.

ORIGINAL: Ralph1961
I’m hoping this game is somewhat similar to Atomic games Operation Crusader or better yet the SSG tiles that Matrix released in the mid 2000s

We are second cousins to Atomic Games and a third cousin to Panzer Campaigns. We like to think we bring the two systems together with our own twist to the game dynamic.

Everybody doesn't like that approach. If you think it's in your ballpark--well...there you shall go.

Good luck in making your decision.

[Ralph1961]

I went ahead and purchased the game but I haven't had time to play it yet. I plan on looking thru the tutorial videos to get an idea of how things work.