OOB information questions

[Stimpak]

Which information sources the equipment of the units in Flashpoint? For example, how would you know whether an East-German unit had T-55s or T-72s, or a MRD was equipped with BMP-2s or BMP-1s, etc...
Also, are the unit positions in the (very handy) Google Earth file garrisons, defensive positions, or something else?
(A much larger post was lost because I still cannot post links for a week)

[CapnDarwin]

For ORBAT source there are a number of places. There are a number of books, internet sites, etc., that can talk to locations, dates and equipment used. We have a number of those. For the OOBs used in game, I mainly use the MicroMark OOB charts to get the formation info and then we clean things up from folks with first hand info.

As for placing units or where the fights happen, that is up to the scenario designer as are the forces used. There are some maps with Cold War force locations out there and you can use those to place "accurate" force names and structures (like 11th ACR, or 3rd Shock army, etc.).

[Stimpak]

Thank you. Ahh, the Micromark charts cost cash that I don't have. That's alright, I suppose I can always guess. I assume East Germany would follow the same pattern as the USSR? (Ie. T-72B/T-55 in MRD/MSD, T-72M/T-80 in TD/PD)

[CapnDarwin]

Yes, Both East Germany and Poland followed the Soviet structures but with the older equipment. Tanks Would be T-72 and T-55s, No T-64s or T-80s, those were Soviet only. More towed arty than self propelled, older SPAA and SPSAM units. A few BMP units and more BTRs. Things like that. There are some Warsaw Pact OOBs out there if you search the net.

[Stimpak]

I have gone over some that appear on the net, but I had ran into trouble with inaccuracies (T-80s in MRDs, lack of info on variants and other assets like the Mi-24), and the numbers were off for 1989 as well since many of these OOBs report WarPac numbers at the time of the CFE treaty holdings. So as usual, I was simply looking for more accurate ORBAT information.

[Stimpak]

Another question, this time with smaller units.

Wasn't it the Soviet standard in MRRs to attach the tank companies to MRBs instead of having them in independent tank battalions? If so, wasn't it a 4-tank platoon per MRC rather than 13-tank company per battalion?

[CapnDarwin]

Stimpak, check out this pdf of the Army Field Manual. http://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm100-2-3.pdf

That should give you the breakdown of the various formations by group. Soviet tank companies and battalions are generally of three sizes.

[Stimpak]

I have that PDF bookmarked, actually. I'm well aware of why battalions/companies are sized the way they are, I was simply curious about how a Soviet MRB's tank company was distributed. There are 13 tanks in the company, so are they kept as an independent company, or are they distributed as 4 tanks per MRC?

[battlerbritain]

I think it was usually a 4 tank platoon allocated to each MRC.

[Stimpak]

I decided to mess around with my database (Don't worry, I have backups)



The only issues are that 38 is probably too big for a unit, and the infantry don't mount their BMPs and stay dismounted.

[CapnDarwin]

Tanks could also be farmed out to FSE and CRP formations.

[CapnDarwin]

I would make the company structure in 3 parts. Motor Rifle element, SAM element, and tank platoon element. That would keep the unit size down and provide more flexibility in footprint for the unit.

[Stimpak]

Understandable, I only wanted to merge the units because of their combat spacing in doctrine, ie. Infantry tried to stay within 200m of the tanks, AA platoon was apart of the MRC...

Well, I guess that's what hex stacking is for.

[CapnDarwin]

If you go into the datafile in the National tab, there is a setting near the bottom for Subunit Stacking Limit. Right now it is at 35. You could raise that value and see if your larger unit functions properly.

[Mad Russian]

Maybe this site will be of some help.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Forc ... ple's_Army

Good Hunting.

MR

[Stimpak]

For the NVA OOB, I actually found this page very helpful.
http://www.fireandfury.com/orbats/modcweastgerman.pdf

As far as equipment goes, I know:

Only one Panzer Division was fully equiped with T-72s, the other had an independent Battalion.
BMP-2s were reserved for Panzer Divisions

[Stimpak]

Unrelated topic, but say I was an absolute madman who wanted megaton-scale nuclear weapons. Is the 10-15kt yield of the AA60/Lance locked in the engine?

[CapnDarwin]

Sorry. Th the animation and effects of the nuke blast is hard coded right now.

[Stimpak]

That's fine...

I've also noticed something else. Engineer units, capable of laying mines, improving positions and performing other regular engineering duties, do exist in the code, and can be added. But the game engine doesn't like engineers for some reason, infact, they automatically turn from "Eng unit" into whatever the dominant subunit's type is.

[CapnDarwin]

My guess is a miss coded piece of data. If you PM me your file I can see what is going on for you.