Pilot losses in air combat

[kkoovvoo]

Archibald McIndoe was the surgeon and the Guinea Pig Club were the burned guys.

I believe those seriously wounded guys are those 6 WIA in HMSWarspite stats (6 of 800) and most of the wounded returned to their units within 3 months.

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

in Witp/UV/BoB/BTR
I think we got a system where you get a die roll to see if the pilot lives or dies when the plane is shot down, then you got a die roll to see where the pilot lands

so, you got to see if you bail out, then find out where you bailed out to

not sure if the system can be changed or not

yes, it is a roll but it's influenced by the distance to the nearest friendly base. Fighting over your own base maximizes your chances for pilot survival while fighting over an enemy base pretty much minimizes it.

[AmiralLaurent]

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

in Witp/UV/BoB/BTR
I think we got a system where you get a die roll to see if the pilot lives or dies when the plane is shot down, then you got a die roll to see where the pilot lands

so, you got to see if you bail out, then find out where you bailed out to

not sure if the system can be changed or not

yes, it is a roll but it's influenced by the distance to the nearest friendly base. Fighting over your own base maximizes your chances for pilot survival while fighting over an enemy base pretty much minimizes it.

Are you sure ? I just had a Japanese ace captured over Kendari while intercepting B-17, the close Allied base being in Australia. Not to speak of the American pilots captured on West Coast after op crashes...
In BTR I managed some times to have Axis pilots being captured by Allied, but it is rather hard to achieve (ie to fly over Allied territory). On the other hand, Allied pilots should have a chance to evade depending on the country they are falling in (ie bigger in Denmark & Yugoslavia than in France than in Belgium/Holland than in Germany) but it will require code change. Evading should be calculated as WIA...

The KIA rate in BTR was far too high... Especially because of the pilots being hit and trying to reach their base rather than bailing out or landing on the first available base... I would say that the losses of pilots in action are too high in all games of the series, while the op losses are too low for all.

[HMSWarspite]

ORIGINAL: kkoovvoo

ORIGINAL: HMSWarspite

Aircraft Losses, 'PILOT:OK/safe', 'KIA/MIA', 'WIA', 'n/k'
813 63 297 6 447

Sorry, what does it mean "n/k"?

The pilots seems to be handled the same way like in War in the Pacific - there are also at least 2/3 of pilots lost when ac is destroyed. Toughness of airplane (armor) and place were the plane was lost ( over sea/own base/enemy base) seems to have only minor impact whether the pilot is lost or not.

Sorry - n/k = not known. Since I am looking at real RAF daily reports, it usually means that they did not break down pilot fate that day. (e.g. '2 spitfires, 3 Hurricanes lost', without adding '2 pilots lost', as they do most days)

[Nikademus]

I'm sure. Part of op loss and pilot survival discussions on the WitP dev forum. Yes, it is still possible to lose pilots over their own base with odd rolls that cause them to be 'captured' over their own base.

[Nikademus]

gotta love statistics......(because they can be interpreted in so many ways)

however, for what it's worth, heres another source info:

for the period 7/10/40 - 10/31/40: out of 2949 UK fighter pilots, 515 were killed +77 more Allied/commonwealth pilots.

The author does make note to not read too much into it as varying time spans and incomplete documentation may cause inaccuracies.

[otisabuser2]

Hi Nik,

Battle of Britain then and now gives 537 deaths, for the same period.

Not sure now ( wished I'd checked ) whether that was pilots or also aircrew ?

The penny has also dropped, in that I've realised that some poor souls will die later from their wounds. [:(]

More complicated than I first thought. [:(]

[harley]

ORIGINAL: AmiralLaurent

Especially because of the pilots being hit and trying to reach their base rather than bailing out or landing on the first available base...

I couldn't agree more with that. Too many times have aces died while on a 400 mile flight home, when there was an airfiled 20 miles from the action...

Less of a problem with the allies, until the Continetal Airfields open up, but it's still a problem.

[Hard Sarge]

Roger and Roger
also a hassle with the idea of clouds cover this base, but the whole rest of England is clear, but every plane is going to try and land though the clouds

been talked about and will be looked at, but I not sure how much we can over ride the system, but if possible, we will look into it

(would be nice if the GE could stage to there AF's for the attack, land and then rebase back home, like they did in RL, but I don't think we will be able to do that)