Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced!

[Mazzah]

Edited due to poor reading skills on My behalf!

Anyhow keep up the good work!

[jzardos]

ORIGINAL: Tarhunnas

ORIGINAL: Pelton

ORIGINAL: jzardos

I'm only buying it if the axis player can now have some more control on production, ToE, and support unit construction. Otherwise, WitE is already big enough for me and I'll save my money for that later expansion when/if it comes.

Can we expect anything other then more Red babysitting?

Hopefully they atleast fixed the spam bombing and spam attacking.

It is a wite is cash cow, I cant be the only one that saw this coming 3 months ago heheh cha ching

But please! It is so dreary with this complaining attitude! I certainly do not begrudge the team that created this great game to make some money on their hard work! And I am grateful for all the fantastic support they offer for this game, even though not all changes cater to my pet peeves!

Tarhunass,

Ummm please do me the courtesy and explain how I'm complaining? I merely stated that I would not be interested in the expansion unless it had more significant changes. Please don't make ignorant comments about me, as I take this as a personal attack. I believe personal attacks on the forum are ill advised. Keep your comments to the game and we'll be fine.

thanks

[AZKGungHo]

Hey Comrade P

So it's just scenarios that we put into the scenario folder and play the game as usual from there? Sound good to me.

[Templer_12]

ORIGINAL: Pelton

ORIGINAL: Tarhunnas

ORIGINAL: Pelton



Can we expect anything other then more Red babysitting?

Hopefully they atleast fixed the spam bombing and spam attacking.

It is a wite is cash cow, I cant be the only one that saw this coming 3 months ago heheh cha ching

But please! It is so dreary with this complaining attitude! I certainly do not begrudge the team that created this great game to make some money on their hard work! And I am grateful for all the fantastic support they offer for this game, even though not all changes cater to my pet peeves!

No one really or very few care about scenario's...[/i]

Pelton

I'm one that cares - Oh, so do I belong no longer to the community? [X(]

[Joel Billings]

They are just scenarios, although when it comes out you'll want to get the latest update of the game at that time so you can take advantage of the recent changes. The scenarios will also come with a scenario notes .pdf with some historical and designer notes from Trey and John, the authors of the scenarios.

[Templer_12]

ORIGINAL: Tarhunnas
But please! It is so dreary with this complaining attitude! I certainly do not begrudge the team that created this great game to make some money on their hard work! And I am grateful for all the fantastic support they offer for this game, even though not all changes cater to my pet peeves!

I sign this word by word! [:)]

[bwheatley]

ORIGINAL: Pelton

No one really or very few care about scenario's. Its the carebear packages that get handed to the Russian side as per the normal 2by3 standard MO that matters to most players and what has turned off 100's from playing this game.

At some point I would hope that 2by3 stops this sillyness, it just makes them look really bad and is what will doom witw and wie in the future.

On one wants to play a game that is some carebear heaven for one side and jail time for the other.

Pelton

The thing that drives me crazy about you and others who are one sided on both german and the soviet side is that it's one sided. I've always tried to advocate for common sense changes that helped balance the games for both sides (rifle corps being harder to get early. Germans surviving winter better if they are in forts. etc).
The 1v1=2v1 rule wouldn't be necessary if they allowed russians to fight historically hard and cause real damage to the germans. I don't run away because i don't like that tactic but i see why people do it. You can't put up a smolensk type battle to attrit the german player. So 1v1=2v1 is a crutch that i'd be glad to see go away permanently. The game has this curve that you will follow no matter how you play the germans will artificially be boosted in the early war and the soviets will be artificially boosted in the late war.

It would be nice to see it be the soviets can fight a real smolensk type battle that grinds the germans down. Combat results that I see combat of 15000 people on both side resulting in < 10 enemy deaths is frustrating.

I'd even enjoy seeing optional rules that have a hitler/stalin objectives factor in. You are free to NOT follow the rules they give you but if you manage to meet their objectives you should get a VP/AP bonus for doing as your CnC instructs.

But all you ever do is whine and complain about the soviets having it too easy. I completely agree that I wish the germans had more control over their OOB and production but you're not helping my cause by being a crotchity antagonist.

When i finish my game with ara i'd be glad to play you so you won't be able to complain that a soviet player just runs away constantly. [:D]

As for wite being a cash cow players who enjoy the game should want to support the developer. If this was ubisoft we'd still have a release day game that was very too balanced in favor of the soviets. Hard work and dedication should be rewarded. Supporting a game for more then a year is awesome.

And the patch is going to be a pretty neutral patch both sides are tweaked a bit so nobody can scream that it wasn't balanced.

[demyansk]

I just play the darn things and read the real stuff in the books, its all good for me since I get beat anyway, I play toaw3 also

[GBS]

I'm astonished by some of the reactions here. I will gladly pay for the expansion, hopefully contributing to 2by3's profitability which hopefully will enable them to continue developing games that we ALL can play and enjoy. Thanks Gary and team.

[abulbulian]

I'm personally very happy to support 2by3 by purchasing this upcoming expansion.  Normally I like to play campaigns, but there looks like a few interesting scenarios to play.  Not to mention names, but there seems to be a few individuals who act very bitter about playing this game and almost make you believe like they're be forced to play it.  My advice is play something else if you can't get the enjoyment you want or need from WitE.  Sure there's some things I would like to see changed in WitE <cough: German production control>, but it's a game that continues to make improvements by developers and testers that have a passion for computer war games and the community.  People have to keep in mind the market share for these type of war games is very small compare to computer games in general.  So we need to support the companies that are putting out good war game products and are willing to support them (patches), we should give back the same support to these companies like 2by3.

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: bwheatley

ORIGINAL: Pelton

No one really or very few care about scenario's. Its the carebear packages that get handed to the Russian side as per the normal 2by3 standard MO that matters to most players and what has turned off 100's from playing this game.

At some point I would hope that 2by3 stops this sillyness, it just makes them look really bad and is what will doom witw and wie in the future.

On one wants to play a game that is some carebear heaven for one side and jail time for the other.

Pelton

The thing that drives me crazy about you and others who are one sided on both german and the soviet side is that it's one sided. I've always tried to advocate for common sense changes that helped balance the games for both sides (rifle corps being harder to get early. Germans surviving winter better if they are in forts. etc).
The 1v1=2v1 rule wouldn't be necessary if they allowed russians to fight historically hard and cause real damage to the germans. I don't run away because i don't like that tactic but i see why people do it. You can't put up a smolensk type battle to attrit the german player. So 1v1=2v1 is a crutch that i'd be glad to see go away permanently. The game has this curve that you will follow no matter how you play the germans will artificially be boosted in the early war and the soviets will be artificially boosted in the late war.

It would be nice to see it be the soviets can fight a real smolensk type battle that grinds the germans down. Combat results that I see combat of 15000 people on both side resulting in < 10 enemy deaths is frustrating.

I'd even enjoy seeing optional rules that have a hitler/stalin objectives factor in. You are free to NOT follow the rules they give you but if you manage to meet their objectives you should get a VP/AP bonus for doing as your CnC instructs.

But all you ever do is whine and complain about the soviets having it too easy. I completely agree that I wish the germans had more control over their OOB and production but you're not helping my cause by being a crotchity antagonist.

When i finish my game with ara i'd be glad to play you so you won't be able to complain that a soviet player just runs away constantly. [:D]

As for wite being a cash cow players who enjoy the game should want to support the developer. If this was ubisoft we'd still have a release day game that was very too balanced in favor of the soviets. Hard work and dedication should be rewarded. Supporting a game for more then a year is awesome.

And the patch is going to be a pretty neutral patch both sides are tweaked a bit so nobody can scream that it wasn't balanced.

Well said.

Running away, now that made for some very short games when I did that (I lost them all.)

[entwood]

what about central and northern Finland as an expansion? Is this in any plan?
I would absolutely buy that; these new scenarios not sure yet...

[gids]

the finnish russian war would be nice no crazy 400 km HQ buildups there though hehe

[bwheatley]

ORIGINAL: entwood

what about central and northern Finland as an expansion? Is this in any plan?
I would absolutely buy that; these new scenarios not sure yet...

With the editor we can do it ourselves. That would really be a fun scenario to do!

[demyansk]

I didn't really touch this game when it came out but lately have been playing it pbem and a few games against the computer. Granted, I am not looking at the screens and micro managing the units but it's a nice game. I like the idea of different variations and I read David Glant'z last book volume 1 of the Battle of Smolensk and he writes about the attrition of the Smolensk operation on the Germans. This book is very detailed and hard to read but as usual has some good resources. He is coming out with a second volume and his third volume on the Stalingrad trilogy soon.

[bwheatley]

ORIGINAL: demjansk

I didn't really touch this game when it came out but lately have been playing it pbem and a few games against the computer. Granted, I am not looking at the screens and micro managing the units but it's a nice game. I like the idea of different variations and I read David Glant'z last book volume 1 of the Battle of Smolensk and he writes about the attrition of the Smolensk operation on the Germans. This book is very detailed and hard to read but as usual has some good resources. He is coming out with a second volume and his third volume on the Stalingrad trilogy soon.

Yea volume 2 has been pushed back almost a year now. ;( Guess you can not rush good work.

[Arckon]

The product page states there is no AI, is that correct, these scenarios in this expansion are PBEM only?

[elmo3]

No, you can play any of them from either side against the AI.

[Commanderski]

The reason it says "No AI" is that you need the main game. There is no separate AI with the expansion pack.

[Blind Sniper]

I don't know is someone has already asked this, but will the manual be updated?